flybywire44

How many pilots is Mesa losing every month? Net loss of 25 a month?

I rode a JS with a 25-year Mesa Captain applying to AA. Another JS a senior Mesa check pilot said he’s leaving Mesa too. Reminds me of the senior guys at ASA & Express Jet jumping ship. At least every major is hiring these days.

terks43

The senior guys are some of the last to jump ship. Us mid level CA’s left months ago.

pangolin

It varies between 15 and 65 in the last 9 months. Last month was over 50.

NovemberBravo

They seem to be hanging on for now. Company won’t react till cancellations are happening.

kevin18

I looked at the most junior guy bidding in IAD for august and he went up over 80 seniority numbers for September. That’s over 10% of the fliers. Even short term that’s not sustainable especially when you consider our training output capacity.

pangolin

Mesa is treading water. Training output has yet to exceed attrition - for 9 months. However, supposedly that problem is solved. (Except for the pesky IOE issue). So long as captain attrition doesn't tick up, provided hiring elsewhere slows, or we see the economic impact of a recession in travel numbers: then Mesa may survive this. There are smaller airlines facing the same issue - I expect one of them to fail first. Mesa is doing what it knows to do. Is it the right thing? Mgmt seems confident but cautious. JO may get a gift in a golden basket out of this yet. A low seniority airline with pilots with no place to go. All it will take is a hiring slow down caused by any number of potential factors (training back log at those hiring, recession, furloughs, airline or multiple airline failure, Age 67, lowering of ATP minimums, wildcard). He's gambling for sure. Will he win? Will he lose? Lady's and gentlemen the wheel is alive. Place your bets.

TransWorld

My bet is no. It may take a bit longer and will be more painful.

All those things you talked about will be mitigated by the high mandatory retirements throughout the rest of the decade. Maybe it delays it a bit, maybe it will make the hanging more painful. The body may twist in the wind. But at the end of the time, it will still be dead.

ABXAirOfficer

I hate reading about Checkride failures or Airline failures preventing you from moving on. Especially if the airline is known to fail a lot of people out (PSA, where 60% of people are bound to fail either the mv/LOE, and 50% fail captain upgrade). I've been there, and Mesa training is a night and day difference. I'm at ABX now (which is also a night and day difference from PSA) and was able to successfully move on despite having a 121 failure, being asked to resign, and a PPL failure.

I wouldn't let a 121 airline failure discourage anyone from pursuing thier dream, especially since the HR teams know those specific airlines with high wash out rates, who I've seen washout even the smartest and sharpest of pilots.

I also know someone who started indoc with me at PSA and had two failures there, and is now at southwest.

Another I know failed out a different regional and is now at United.

Washing out of two airlines is a whole other story. Washing out of one is not.

Keep your nose clean from there on out, explain how you learned, and you will be fine.

bonvoyage

Man, TMI!

I question your reading comprehension skills…

But also I have to bite. 60% of pilots are not failing PSA training, or the FAA would have shut that down. But bottom line, your entire response is out of the blue and no one was remotely talking about an airline intentionally failing anyone. But good on you for being incompetent and landing that grand slam career for ABX!

pangolin

You replied with this to my post. I didn’t say anything about CHECK RIDE failures etc. I was talking about entire airlines failing.