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pangolin 08-27-2023 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Twr199 (Post 3688563)
Highly unlikely. In this pilot market most would go to a LCC or another regional thats most convenient for them. Especially with prior 121 most could get a fat DEC sign on bonus.

The pilots of Mesa and Commute wont staff each others airplanes. Those days are gone (for now).

One “pandemic” or quarter of soft travel demand cures the pilot shortage.

Twr199 08-27-2023 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3688655)
One “pandemic” or quarter of soft travel demand cures the pilot shortage.

Thats true and a risky business strategy for JO. How long will UA pump money into Mesa before “the recession” happens? Aka how many quarters until UA owns a majority of Mesa and then parts out the assets.

AerChungus 08-27-2023 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Twr199 (Post 3688563)
Highly unlikely. In this pilot market most would go to a LCC or another regional thats most convenient for them. Especially with prior 121 most could get a fat DEC sign on bonus.

The pilots of Mesa and Commute wont staff each others airplanes. Those days are gone (for now).

Right, as far as it being convenient, Mesa and CommuteAir have essentially the same bases. Same bases, same UAX system, and still in Aviate. If somebody stuck around for the flow into captain upgrade, they probably aren't gonna jump to Frontier or Skywest just because they have a DEN base. And it just so happens that CommuteAir has a $175,000 DEC bonus and Mesa has something similar. As somebody working for one of these regionals, the only captains left are diehard Aviate, Australian, or live in/around a United base and are unable to move/unwilling to commute. I really don't think that there would be a whole lot of loss on the CA side. Sure, a lot of FOs would leave, but they are a dime a dozen. United did this, again in a pilot shortage, to CommuteAir and ExpressJet only 3 years ago. I just don't see why they wouldn't try it again

BusBoe 08-27-2023 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by AerChungus (Post 3688668)
Right, as far as it being convenient, Mesa and CommuteAir have essentially the same bases. Same bases, same UAX system, and still in Aviate. If somebody stuck around for the flow into captain upgrade, they probably aren't gonna jump to Frontier or Skywest just because they have a DEN base. And it just so happens that CommuteAir has a $175,000 DEC bonus and Mesa has something similar. As somebody working for one of these regionals, the only captains left are diehard Aviate, Australian, or live in/around a United base and are unable to move/unwilling to commute. I really don't think that there would be a whole lot of loss on the CA side. Sure, a lot of FOs would leave, but they are a dime a dozen. United did this, again in a pilot shortage, to CommuteAir and ExpressJet only 3 years ago. I just don't see why they wouldn't try it again

no one is going to leave Mesa to go to Commute Fail. Lol. Starting pay for FO's there is $73 compared with $100 at Mesa, and $101 for captains compared with $150 for Mesa.


Captains at Commute Fail make the same as Mesa First Officers.
Top pay for captain at Commute Fail is year one pay for Mesa Captains.

Let that sink in.

If the rumors are true and they do a merger, I hope Commute Fail doesn't lower the pay standards for Mesa and start paying them peanuts.

AerChungus 08-27-2023 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by BusBoe (Post 3688743)
no one is going to leave Mesa to go to Commute Fail. Lol. Starting pay for FO's there is $73 compared with $100 at Mesa, and $101 for captains compared with $150 for Mesa.


Captains at Commute Fail make the same as Mesa First Officers.
Top pay for captain at Commute Fail is year one pay for Mesa Captains.

Let that sink in.

If the rumors are true and they do a merger, I hope Commute Fail doesn't lower the pay standards for Mesa and start paying them peanuts.

I'm not saying anybody is going to leave one for the other. I'm saying that one will cease to exist

dmspilot 08-27-2023 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by AerChungus (Post 3688668)
United did this, again in a pilot shortage, to CommuteAir and ExpressJet only 3 years ago.

You have a short memory, ExpressJet was shuttered as a cost-cutting measure during a pilot surplus.

amcnd 08-28-2023 04:56 AM

Mesa is selling aircraft to PSA? Interesting.. And not the ones parked the ones flying, looks like the 2015 built ones.

crjflyer0023 08-28-2023 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3689000)
Mesa is selling aircraft to PSA? Interesting.. And not the ones parked the ones flying, looks like the 2015 built ones.

Yeah that's not a secret or a surprise. They've been doing that for almost a year now and it's been well known that Mesa is trying to get rid of ALL of its CRJ 900 fleet ASAP. That's not a rumor, that's a fact.

Now, it is not known what will replace them. It is assumed thay they are trying to have either an all EJET fleet... Either that, or switch to the CRJ 700.

Twr199 08-28-2023 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by crjflyer0023 (Post 3689031)
Yeah that's not a secret or a surprise. They've been doing that for almost a year now and it's been well known that Mesa is trying to get rid of ALL of its CRJ 900 fleet ASAP. That's not a rumor, that's a fact.

Now, it is not known what will replace them. It is assumed thay they are trying to have either an all EJET fleet... Either that, or switch to the CRJ 700.

Ejet is the way of the future. No one has a clear crystal ball but we can all agree that Mesa’s cash remaining and quarterly losses aren’t sustainable. We will see how long daddy UA decides to keep them afloat.

crjflyer0023 08-28-2023 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Twr199 (Post 3689086)
Ejet is the way of the future. No one has a clear crystal ball but we can all agree that Mesa’s cash remaining and quarterly losses aren’t sustainable. We will see how long daddy UA decides to keep them afloat.

EJET is indeed the future. An all ejet fleet would be a wise choice. That means less training costs, less FAA oversight on approving and disproving training related matters, cheaper to operate, easier on the mechanics since they only focus on one fleet, they break down MUCH LESS often, and the ejet is a damn comfortable plane for both the pilots and passenegers.

An all ejet route is a win for everybody and is needed to happen for the success of Mesa's future. Mesa should set up all CRJ pilots to be type rated on the ejet. And get rid of the crj completely.


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