Mesa United Flying???
10-06-2009, 02:31 PM
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Mesa United Flying???
Anyone heard about the fate of the 26 CRJ 200's and 10 Dash 8's? There was supposed to be some sort of announcement on October 1st from United but all I've heard is CRICKETS!
Any good rumors or hard evidence is appreciated
Any good rumors or hard evidence is appreciated
10-06-2009, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BarbieTrash
Anyone heard about the fate of the 26 CRJ 200's and 10 Dash 8's? There was supposed to be some sort of announcement on October 1st from United but all I've heard is CRICKETS!
Any good rumors or hard evidence is appreciated
Any good rumors or hard evidence is appreciated
I would think UAL has between 10/3/2009 and 2012 (the original expiration date) to make the decision and "announcement" about the Dash flying, but I'd expect since there has been no press release regarding the continuation of the CRJ flying that it has effectively been canceled.?.?
Heck, I don't know anything. Just my understanding of the scenario.
10-06-2009, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by EngineOut
I think United has 180 days to notify Mesa on an intent to continue the CRJ flying and 180 days to notify Mesa on an intent to cancel the Dash flying. I believe that the options are effective October 3.
I would think UAL has between 10/3/2009 and 2012 (the original expiration date) to make the decision and "announcement" about the Dash flying, but I'd expect since there has been no press release regarding the continuation of the CRJ flying that it has effectively been canceled.?.?
Heck, I don't know anything. Just my understanding of the scenario.
I would think UAL has between 10/3/2009 and 2012 (the original expiration date) to make the decision and "announcement" about the Dash flying, but I'd expect since there has been no press release regarding the continuation of the CRJ flying that it has effectively been canceled.?.?
Heck, I don't know anything. Just my understanding of the scenario.
10-06-2009, 05:01 PM
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United Code-Sharing Agreement
As of September 30, 2008, we operated 26 CRJ-200, 20 CRJ-700 and 10 Dash-8 aircraft for United under a code-sharing arrangement. Additionally, the code-share agreement allows us to swap up to 10 CRJ-200s for 10 CRJ-700s upon providing at least 180 days notice prior to October 31, 2009. In exchange for performing the flight services under the agreement, we receive from United a fixed monthly minimum amount, plus certain additional amounts based upon the number of flights flown and block hours performed during the month. Additionally, certain costs incurred by us in performing the flight services are "pass-through" costs, whereby United agrees to reimburse us for the actual amounts incurred for these items: aircraft ownership costs, property tax per aircraft, fuel costs, and landing fees. We also receive a profit margin based upon certain reimbursable costs under the agreement as well as our
operational performance. The code-share agreement for (i) the 10 Dash-8 aircraft terminates in July 2013 unless terminated by United by giving notice six months prior to April 30, 2010, (ii) 10 50-seat CRJ-200’s terminates no later than April 30, 2010, which can be accelerated up to two years at our discretion and can be swapped for CRJ-700’s for a term of up to 10 years but not beyond October 2018, (iii) 20 50-seat regional jets terminate in April 2010, (iv) the 5 CRJ-700’s delivered in fiscal 2007 (the 12 to be delivered upon the withdrawal of the 50-seat regional jets) terminates ten years from delivery date, but no later than October 31, 2018, and (v) the remaining 15 CRJ-700’
As of September 30, 2008, we operated 26 CRJ-200, 20 CRJ-700 and 10 Dash-8 aircraft for United under a code-sharing arrangement. Additionally, the code-share agreement allows us to swap up to 10 CRJ-200s for 10 CRJ-700s upon providing at least 180 days notice prior to October 31, 2009. In exchange for performing the flight services under the agreement, we receive from United a fixed monthly minimum amount, plus certain additional amounts based upon the number of flights flown and block hours performed during the month. Additionally, certain costs incurred by us in performing the flight services are "pass-through" costs, whereby United agrees to reimburse us for the actual amounts incurred for these items: aircraft ownership costs, property tax per aircraft, fuel costs, and landing fees. We also receive a profit margin based upon certain reimbursable costs under the agreement as well as our
operational performance. The code-share agreement for (i) the 10 Dash-8 aircraft terminates in July 2013 unless terminated by United by giving notice six months prior to April 30, 2010, (ii) 10 50-seat CRJ-200’s terminates no later than April 30, 2010, which can be accelerated up to two years at our discretion and can be swapped for CRJ-700’s for a term of up to 10 years but not beyond October 2018, (iii) 20 50-seat regional jets terminate in April 2010, (iv) the 5 CRJ-700’s delivered in fiscal 2007 (the 12 to be delivered upon the withdrawal of the 50-seat regional jets) terminates ten years from delivery date, but no later than October 31, 2018, and (v) the remaining 15 CRJ-700’
10-06-2009, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by geekmaster
United Code-Sharing Agreement
As of September 30, 2008, we operated 26 CRJ-200, 20 CRJ-700 and 10 Dash-8 aircraft for United under a code-sharing arrangement. Additionally, the code-share agreement allows us to swap up to 10 CRJ-200s for 10 CRJ-700s upon providing at least 180 days notice prior to October 31, 2009. In exchange for performing the flight services under the agreement, we receive from United a fixed monthly minimum amount, plus certain additional amounts based upon the number of flights flown and block hours performed during the month. Additionally, certain costs incurred by us in performing the flight services are "pass-through" costs, whereby United agrees to reimburse us for the actual amounts incurred for these items: aircraft ownership costs, property tax per aircraft, fuel costs, and landing fees. We also receive a profit margin based upon certain reimbursable costs under the agreement as well as our
operational performance. The code-share agreement for (i) the 10 Dash-8 aircraft terminates in July 2013 unless terminated by United by giving notice six months prior to April 30, 2010, (ii) 10 50-seat CRJ-200’s terminates no later than April 30, 2010, which can be accelerated up to two years at our discretion and can be swapped for CRJ-700’s for a term of up to 10 years but not beyond October 2018, (iii) 20 50-seat regional jets terminate in April 2010, (iv) the 5 CRJ-700’s delivered in fiscal 2007 (the 12 to be delivered upon the withdrawal of the 50-seat regional jets) terminates ten years from delivery date, but no later than October 31, 2018, and (v) the remaining 15 CRJ-700’
As of September 30, 2008, we operated 26 CRJ-200, 20 CRJ-700 and 10 Dash-8 aircraft for United under a code-sharing arrangement. Additionally, the code-share agreement allows us to swap up to 10 CRJ-200s for 10 CRJ-700s upon providing at least 180 days notice prior to October 31, 2009. In exchange for performing the flight services under the agreement, we receive from United a fixed monthly minimum amount, plus certain additional amounts based upon the number of flights flown and block hours performed during the month. Additionally, certain costs incurred by us in performing the flight services are "pass-through" costs, whereby United agrees to reimburse us for the actual amounts incurred for these items: aircraft ownership costs, property tax per aircraft, fuel costs, and landing fees. We also receive a profit margin based upon certain reimbursable costs under the agreement as well as our
operational performance. The code-share agreement for (i) the 10 Dash-8 aircraft terminates in July 2013 unless terminated by United by giving notice six months prior to April 30, 2010, (ii) 10 50-seat CRJ-200’s terminates no later than April 30, 2010, which can be accelerated up to two years at our discretion and can be swapped for CRJ-700’s for a term of up to 10 years but not beyond October 2018, (iii) 20 50-seat regional jets terminate in April 2010, (iv) the 5 CRJ-700’s delivered in fiscal 2007 (the 12 to be delivered upon the withdrawal of the 50-seat regional jets) terminates ten years from delivery date, but no later than October 31, 2018, and (v) the remaining 15 CRJ-700’
Everyone's freaking out about who is getting this flying, but it seems more like UAL would just let that 50 seat traffic expire, and do separate RFPs for 700s for the affected cities.
Everyone talks like they are "getting the UAL flying" but it's more likely to be a few airframes shuffled around and a few 50 seaters and Dash's parked/cities cut...
10-06-2009, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyASA
So if Mesa were to lose out on this what would it mean for the company? I've heard the ERJs for Delta were make or break for them is the same true for the UA flying?
10-06-2009, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by geekmaster
United Code-Sharing Agreement
As of September 30, 2008, we operated 26 CRJ-200, 20 CRJ-700 and 10 Dash-8 aircraft for United under a code-sharing arrangement. Additionally, the code-share agreement allows us to swap up to 10 CRJ-200s for 10 CRJ-700s upon providing at least 180 days notice prior to October 31, 2009. In exchange for performing the flight services under the agreement, we receive from United a fixed monthly minimum amount, plus certain additional amounts based upon the number of flights flown and block hours performed during the month. Additionally, certain costs incurred by us in performing the flight services are "pass-through" costs, whereby United agrees to reimburse us for the actual amounts incurred for these items: aircraft ownership costs, property tax per aircraft, fuel costs, and landing fees. We also receive a profit margin based upon certain reimbursable costs under the agreement as well as our
operational performance. The code-share agreement for (i) the 10 Dash-8 aircraft terminates in July 2013 unless terminated by United by giving notice six months prior to April 30, 2010, (ii) 10 50-seat CRJ-200’s terminates no later than April 30, 2010, which can be accelerated up to two years at our discretion and can be swapped for CRJ-700’s for a term of up to 10 years but not beyond October 2018, (iii) 20 50-seat regional jets terminate in April 2010, (iv) the 5 CRJ-700’s delivered in fiscal 2007 (the 12 to be delivered upon the withdrawal of the 50-seat regional jets) terminates ten years from delivery date, but no later than October 31, 2018, and (v) the remaining 15 CRJ-700’
As of September 30, 2008, we operated 26 CRJ-200, 20 CRJ-700 and 10 Dash-8 aircraft for United under a code-sharing arrangement. Additionally, the code-share agreement allows us to swap up to 10 CRJ-200s for 10 CRJ-700s upon providing at least 180 days notice prior to October 31, 2009. In exchange for performing the flight services under the agreement, we receive from United a fixed monthly minimum amount, plus certain additional amounts based upon the number of flights flown and block hours performed during the month. Additionally, certain costs incurred by us in performing the flight services are "pass-through" costs, whereby United agrees to reimburse us for the actual amounts incurred for these items: aircraft ownership costs, property tax per aircraft, fuel costs, and landing fees. We also receive a profit margin based upon certain reimbursable costs under the agreement as well as our
operational performance. The code-share agreement for (i) the 10 Dash-8 aircraft terminates in July 2013 unless terminated by United by giving notice six months prior to April 30, 2010, (ii) 10 50-seat CRJ-200’s terminates no later than April 30, 2010, which can be accelerated up to two years at our discretion and can be swapped for CRJ-700’s for a term of up to 10 years but not beyond October 2018, (iii) 20 50-seat regional jets terminate in April 2010, (iv) the 5 CRJ-700’s delivered in fiscal 2007 (the 12 to be delivered upon the withdrawal of the 50-seat regional jets) terminates ten years from delivery date, but no later than October 31, 2018, and (v) the remaining 15 CRJ-700’
10-06-2009, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
So it sounds like 30 CRJ-200s expire no matter what in April 2010, and the 10 Dash-8s expire in July 2013 unless UAL notifies Mesa by Oct. 30, 2010 (which would give them 180 days notice prior to termination date as a notification window).
Everyone's freaking out about who is getting this flying, but it seems more like UAL would just let that 50 seat traffic expire, and do separate RFPs for 700s for the affected cities.
Everyone talks like they are "getting the UAL flying" but it's more likely to be a few airframes shuffled around and a few 50 seaters and Dash's parked/cities cut...
Everyone's freaking out about who is getting this flying, but it seems more like UAL would just let that 50 seat traffic expire, and do separate RFPs for 700s for the affected cities.
Everyone talks like they are "getting the UAL flying" but it's more likely to be a few airframes shuffled around and a few 50 seaters and Dash's parked/cities cut...
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