Mesa Pulls PBS
01-02-2010, 06:12 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by hslightnin
I did not see this coming. There is no way this will save them $ in the long run.
so we wanted this anyway.
the only place i think its gona hurt is CVG since we are still Fat on people.
we Keep SAP, 11days off for reserves, calendar month bids, anything else good?
so we wanted this anyway.
the only place i think its gona hurt is CVG since we are still Fat on people.
we Keep SAP, 11days off for reserves, calendar month bids, anything else good?
But, I guess none of that matters now. I mean, heck, half of us are out of a job anyways.
01-02-2010, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hslightnin
I did not see this coming. There is no way this will save them $ in the long run.
so we wanted this anyway.
the only place i think its gona hurt is CVG since we are still Fat on people.
we Keep SAP, 11days off for reserves, calendar month bids, anything else good?
so we wanted this anyway.
the only place i think its gona hurt is CVG since we are still Fat on people.
we Keep SAP, 11days off for reserves, calendar month bids, anything else good?
01-02-2010, 07:11 AM
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Well it was a crap contract and the pilots that voted for it deserve what they are getting. loose ambiguous language and a management the will exploit that to abuse the pilot group to no end. In my opinion the only way that contract should have been put to a vote at a minimum would have PBS not tied to the gains, but the yes voters where greedy, misinformed, or stupid. and no I did not vote I was only at the company for 10 months at the time of the vote. Rant over
01-02-2010, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by hslightnin
we Keep SAP, 11days off for reserves, calendar month bids, anything else good?
WOW! 11 days off for reserves!!!!! Amazing!!!
It just goes to show you how sub-mesa our TA was at pinnacle. Our new TA that we "shot down" was only 10 days off for reserves. Unbelievable.
What's more unbelievable is that we had an alarming number of pilots who voted YES to having 10 days off a month on reserves.
01-02-2010, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled
WOW! 11 days off for reserves!!!!! Amazing!!!
It just goes to show you how sub-mesa our TA was at pinnacle. Our new TA that we "shot down" was only 10 days off for reserves. Unbelievable.
What's more unbelievable is that we had an alarming number of pilots who voted YES to having 10 days off a month on reserves.
It just goes to show you how sub-mesa our TA was at pinnacle. Our new TA that we "shot down" was only 10 days off for reserves. Unbelievable.
What's more unbelievable is that we had an alarming number of pilots who voted YES to having 10 days off a month on reserves.
I'm guessing most were not reserves (and were lineholder captains that never expect to be reserve there again) and took the opinion of screw the junior guys, I got what I want.
01-02-2010, 09:45 AM
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Look at Mesaba - same hubs, most same cities, etc. It's our sister company with good work rules, pay, etc. There's a popular belief here amongst some pilots that were "hopeless" so we call this group the "Defeatist's".
There was a mix of senior pilots screwing the junior pilots who voted yes. Second, a mix of "defeatists" who also voted yes. Third, a group of instructors who wanted to financially benefit off of constant training at a bottom feeder company that has a super-high turnover rate (125% pay for IOE).
These three groups totalled to 43% of our votes.
It's a big sob story.
57% percent said "Nope, we are professionals and deserve a fair and respectable compensation package."
There was a mix of senior pilots screwing the junior pilots who voted yes. Second, a mix of "defeatists" who also voted yes. Third, a group of instructors who wanted to financially benefit off of constant training at a bottom feeder company that has a super-high turnover rate (125% pay for IOE).
These three groups totalled to 43% of our votes.
It's a big sob story.
57% percent said "Nope, we are professionals and deserve a fair and respectable compensation package."
01-02-2010, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled
Look at Mesaba - same hubs, most same cities, etc. It's our sister company with good work rules, pay, etc. There's a popular belief here amongst some pilots that were "hopeless" so we call this group the "Defeatist's".
The 400 at Mesa have a good deal of respect from me, the rest... I blame apathy.
01-02-2010, 10:42 AM
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All we will ONLY lose is the Scheduled or actual, Line Gar., and CX Pay. Thats it!! Read your contract!! And the problem with our pilot group is that no one reads their contract.
Now that the chips are down!! What are we going to to do??? During Section 6 Negotiations the MEC put out a hot-line stating that the company had walked away from the bargaining table with no further negotiating date. You know what happened the next day?? On both the Mesa and Freedom Certificate we produced 95%+ Completion factor and On-time performance. I think the Freedom side even broke a new record for On-time performance. WE GOING TO TAKE THIS LYING DOWN OR FIGHT?? Now is the time to quit B*tching and take matters into our own hands.
Now that the chips are down!! What are we going to to do??? During Section 6 Negotiations the MEC put out a hot-line stating that the company had walked away from the bargaining table with no further negotiating date. You know what happened the next day?? On both the Mesa and Freedom Certificate we produced 95%+ Completion factor and On-time performance. I think the Freedom side even broke a new record for On-time performance. WE GOING TO TAKE THIS LYING DOWN OR FIGHT?? Now is the time to quit B*tching and take matters into our own hands.
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