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Old 11-05-2009, 05:48 AM   #1  
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By G. Jeff Golden The Daily Times
Posted: 11/05/2009 12:00:00 AM MST

FARMINGTON Mesa Air Group is discontinuing its pilot training program at San Juan College, ending a 20-year partnership. The college's aviation department will cease operations at the conclusion of the fall semester. No classes will be held in the spring.
"Unfortunately, given the current operating environment and the challenges facing the company, (Mesa) can no longer sustain its training program at San Juan College," Mickey Moman, general manager of Mesa Pilot Development Inc., said in a prepared statement.
Moman did not return calls late Wednesday requesting further comment.
College administrators received surprise word of the program's cancellation during the day Wednesday, following a telephone conversation with Mesa officials Tuesday night.
"It was not expected," college President Carol Spencer said.
Administrators notified students enrolled in the program of its discontinuation at a special meeting on campus at 3:30 p.m. Wednesday, aviation student Leslie Bollato said.
Bollato is one of about 10 students in their final semester who will comprise the program's last graduating class. The about 20 remaining students aren't so lucky.
The atmosphere at the meeting was of stunned disappointment, Bollato said.
"If you weren't in the (fourth semester), it was probably like dazed and confused," Bollato said. "A real kind of somber concern, like Where do I go from here?'"
The move will force the college to cut two faculty positions and Aviation
Coordinator Rae Lynn Shropshire, Spencer said. The partnership with Enchantment Helicopters announced last month to offer helicopter flight training at the college likely will be nixed as well, as it utilized many of Mesa's ground school classes.
"It's very, very sad. It's going to affect not just the students, but the people the program has employed. It's just very sad. It's sad that it's come to this," Bollato said.
Mesa began as Mesa Air Shuttle in 1982, ferrying passengers between Farmington and Albuquerque on a single nine-passenger aircraft, according to the airline's Web site. Within 10 years it had grown to serve 63 cities with a fleet of 38 aircraft.
Mesa relocated its headquarters from Farmington to Phoenix in 1998.
In 2009, the airline operates 145 aircraft in 124 cities in the United States, Canada and Mexico.
Mesa began its partnership with San Juan College in 1989 in order to train pilots to fill its ranks. Students were able to complete ground school and the required 250 hours of flight training in Farmington, while earning an associate degree.
The program cost, on average, nearly $70,000 over the course of four semesters. San Juan College offered rates below most similar programs because it's a community college.
The aviation department was in the midst of 20th anniversary celebrations this year.
The college's replica jet flight simulator was on loan from Mesa, and likely will have to be returned. But administrators have not discussed logistics of the program's cancellation with the airline.
"We have not worked through any details of the transition with them as of yet," Spencer said.
Mesa maintains two other flight schools, at Arizona State University and Texas' Midland College. It is unknown if they will accept transfers from Farmington, but most students want to stay here, Bollato said.
The program's cancellation is a loss the college definitely will mourn, but administrators' main concern is to help the displaced students land on their feet.
"We've graduated hundreds of top-quality pilots, and this is a loss," Spencer said. "What is is, and we will move forward as professionally as possible and do our very best to take care of the students."

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Wow, I hope the students are able to take their loans elsewhere.... Could this be the 7th sign for Mesa?
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The ATP requirements for all new 121 hires is around the corner. When this bill gets signed, everyone will have to have their ATP licence by 2013. If that is the case, schools that offer San Juan type program do not make sence unless the students get their CFI certificates and aquire their 1500/500that way.
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The ATP requirements for all new 121 hires is around the corner. When this bill gets signed, everyone will have to have their ATP licence by 2013. If that is the case, schools that offer San Juan type program do not make sence unless the students get their CFI certificates and aquire their 1500/500that way.
Unless that idiot Congressman in FL in Riddle's district gets his way. I also wonder if that idiot in North Dakota (Sen. Dorgan) will cave in for UND kids and sell out on the 1500 hour requirement, even though he's the one pushing for not letting us have anything to read, do, or keep us alert in the cockpit...
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Early lesson in the industry.
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Early lesson in the industry.
it really sucks that some of these kids had to be completely blindsided by this. I really think ALPA should start educating young pilots on cost effective ways to get their ratings, tips on getting financing, and what to look for in a potential airline as far as work rules and pay. I know a few people who went to Mesa because it was their first interview and they honestly did not know any better. it really is a shame. I hope this doesnt set those students back too far financially
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Talk to the former students at Silver State Helicopter about losing money. Silver State was the largest helicopter school in the country until it went under and the CEO took the student's money. Over 2,000 students lost about $70,000 each. Most of them did not get a chance to finish their ratings, and they still have to pay of their loans! So they hired "Dog" the Bounty Hunter to track down the guy who stole their $.

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Check the date on that story about the SSH students... April 1. ANN does some fun stuff on April fool's day.. I know because I've submitted story ideas for it. :-)

It might be something for these stranded students to look into though.
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I really think ALPA should start educating young pilots on cost effective ways to get their ratings, tips on getting financing, and what to look for in a potential airline as far as work rules and pay.
That's a joke right? They won't do enough to help us that are already in the industry.
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No point in having a training program if you are not hiring for the next... say 10 years.
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