Last I heard the classes being postponed might have had something to do with a budget meeting, but thats just a rumor. I highly doubt all bases are properly staffed as I still hear they are junior assigning people... If anything I would imagine the attrition rate would be skyrocketing or at least holding steady.

Welcome to the world of $108.00 dollar oil.....

Couldn't have said it better myself :rolleyes:

You mean $109..$110..$111..$112..$113..114..120...130..140. ..150.....

I don't have a problem with that. Oil price at record high probably calls for extraordinary measures. What I don't understand is why do we have to find out the reason for the delay or cancellation through a rumor mill.
Accepting the racall and returning to work is a big deal and it involves many life organizing events for responsible human beings such as notifying the current employer (it could be a local Walmart manager or a Delta chief pilot) when you would resign to go back to Mesa and fly airplanes again. I feel the company should do a better job communicating with the pilots on furlough, instead of just printing "postponded" on the company website and hope they would eventually figure out why and for how long on their own. :confused:

Right now recalls are in direct proportion to attrition.

Which is the most stupid idea of all time. Without some sort of forcast recall, You are guaranteed to fall behind and become short staffed because of the training gap. All the while more people are quitting which compunds the problem...Oh wait were already having problems/cancelling for staffing in PHX and now it had bled over to ORD... unacceptable

Funky Twins, they will only really keep you informed when it benefits them, until they need you, you will probably just sit around and wonder. Frustrating, I know. It's sort of like being in an abusive relationship. Mesa is the abuser, the furloughed pilots are the abusees. I partly blame the union because they aren't doing the greatest job of keeping people up to date as well...

I can't believe the cancellations and short staffing has moved to ORD, everyone that is still there is pretty senior from what I understand. Well, I guess some things will never change and management is yet to learn its lesson. The cat that is management has used about 8 of its 9 lives as far as I'm concerned.

I guess so!

I was thinking that if they can have the ramp tower or even our great ATC tell us to call the company while we are taxing or flying, have a very friendly messenger waiting for us at the gate on the last leg of my 5-day trip to deliver a very special message that I was just junior-assed, if they can go through this much trouble to tell us that we are just junior assigned, they can certainly send a simple email to those who accepted the recall that the recall is postponed due to whatever reason and for how long so we can plan things properly. :cool:

Agree Barbie at that rate, United won't consider to renew the next 5 RJ contract. With few new Board of Directors in place, why J.O still there? This is deja vu back in 2007 the massive exodus.

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What you guys don’t seem to get is that ‘short staffing’ is a model they embrace because it directly and immediately helps them tactically, even if it ultimately fails them strategically. From a cost perspective I'm certain if they are not doing a certain amount of Jr assigning then they are losing money. These are business decisions, the wisdom of which notwithstanding; they are cold and calculated - end of story.

And I agree with FLY IFR; yes, we all have battered wife syndrome.

What surprises me is that we continue to be surprised.

These are business decisions? Anyone who has taken a 100 level business course in college would recognize these as terrible business decisions. Yeah we are in terrible shape as it is and they are going to continue to blow any little chance they have of United resigning a contract with them. If I was United management I would be very angry as well. I would make an ultimatum with MAG and tell them I would resign them as long as they got a whole new management team who knew what the hell they were doing, enough is enough already! If you are short staffed and junior assigning people, all signs point to bringing more people on property, it's common sense! Sometimes I seriously wonder if MAG management is purposely trying to do this for some sick and twisted reason...

I believe the industry term is called "Right Sizing". For what I don't know but I have a feeling something is in the works.

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These are business decisions? Anyone who has taken a 100 level business course in college would recognize these as terrible business decisions. Yeah we are in terrible shape as it is and they are going to continue to blow any little chance they have of United resigning a contract with them. If I was United management I would be very angry as well. I would make an ultimatum with MAG and tell them I would resign them as long as they got a whole new management team who knew what the hell they were doing, enough is enough already! If you are short staffed and junior assigning people, all signs point to bringing more people on property, it's common sense! Sometimes I seriously wonder if MAG management is purposely trying to do this for some sick and twisted reason...

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Trust me, I’m on your side. I'm just trying to point out that they have always and will always manage staffing right on the ragged edge. Its simple cost benefit analysis. They are willing to risk unhappy pilots, a few crew cancellations, and JR pay to avoid having a dozen, or twenty, or even one too many pilots.

Problem is there is a lag time when things can get really ugly fast and they don't have enough time to get new pilots through the pipeline to avert a catastrophe during a summer of intense mainline hiring for example. But again, they don't care, because enduring an ugly summer here and there is still cheaper than maintaining extra staffing just incase.

I'm pretty sure none of this has anything to do with whether United renews with us or not. Can anyone point to a time when Crew Cancellations were so rampant that mainline started complaining? I'd be interested to know.

I don't know why you say something is in the works. They have always managed staffing like this. Always.

Message from the company: (my paraphrase) The 29 scheduled recalls for the remaining four months of the fiscal year have been put on hold as we are waiting to see what happens with future attrition. The recalls that are already on the property (also 29) are not affected and will hit the line on May 1.

Sorry if this has already been posted.

Yeah, when they failed to renew/cancelled our contracts for 26 CRJ 200's and 10 Dash 8's. And when Delta cancelled our contract for 35 ERJ's

If I recall around 07-08 things were pretty bad and mainline was getting a little upset with all the cancellations. This was obviously because of the hiring boom, lateral movement etc, so they couldn't get enough people through training fast enough or as fast as people were leaving.

I would say something is in the works because correspondance like this didn't used to happen even though we have lost triple than the stated 29 recalls. It doesn't make sense, but then again nothing here ever does.

Maybe they're gonna pull down GO!

This is all getting so bad, it's almost starting to turn comical. You stay angry for so long, but then it all just starts to turn into a joke, haha.

This new board was appointed by creditors with serious experience in airline aquasiitions and mergers. Maybe this rightsizing has something to do with fattining the calf.
Most 200s will be gone next summer, maybe it makes sense to take the 5 700s from UAX and replace the current Go 200s, thus elemnating the 200 fleet alltogether.

I still think this new boards main goal is to recoup the money owed to the creditors in short order by selling the company. They probably kept the current mgmt team beacause the new
Directors have no interest in running an airline, rather setting it up for sale and letting the buyer deal mgmt house cleaning.

Any idea on when people could expect to hear any additional news? Or when additional furloughs will be recalled?

Probably after the Board of Directors first Post Bankrupcy meeting this week in PHX. Not sure of the exact date.

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but unless there are some new developments I wouldn't anticipate there being anymore recalls for quite some time. I just don't see attrition out pacing the scheduled fleet reductions, especially if go! ceases or reduces it's operation.

I believe the correct term for you sir would be "Realist"