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rickair7777 01-01-2012 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy (Post 1110314)
How could they terminate you if you're already working somewhere else?

If you don't respond to a recall offer, you will lose your recall rights. In that case your employment will have ended when you were furloughed, and they obviously cannot associate any adverse conditions with furlough.

But if you accept recall and no-show the class date they can consider your employment to have resumed when class convened. Then they can fire you for not being where are supposed to be...which will show up on PRIA. Pretty sketchy, but definitely within the realm of possibility with mesa.

logic1 01-01-2012 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1110487)
If you don't respond to a recall offer, you will lose your recall rights. In that case your employment will have ended when you were furloughed, and they obviously cannot associate any adverse conditions with furlough.

But if you accept recall and no-show the class date they can consider your employment to have resumed when class convened. Then they can fire you for not being where are supposed to be...which will show up on PRIA. Pretty sketchy, but definitely within the realm of possibility with mesa.


I think it pretty sketchy to accept recall and then no show.

Fly IFR 01-01-2012 06:18 PM

It will be interesting to see how many show for the January 9th class of the 24 scheduled. Can somebody please keep us posted if you might be there or have information on it?

BarbieTrash 01-02-2012 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1110487)
If you don't respond to a recall offer, you will lose your recall rights. In that case your employment will have ended when you were furloughed, and they obviously cannot associate any adverse conditions with furlough.

But if you accept recall and no-show the class date they can consider your employment to have resumed when class convened. Then they can fire you for not being where are supposed to be...which will show up on PRIA. Pretty sketchy, but definitely within the realm of possibility with mesa.

They can't fire you because you never would have taken or passed a DOT drug test therefore you never could be employed and they can't fire you. PRIA would never even come in to play.

BarbieTrash 01-02-2012 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Fly IFR (Post 1110583)
It will be interesting to see how many show for the January 9th class of the 24 scheduled. Can somebody please keep us posted if you might be there or have information on it?

Furlough recall classes for January are 9 CRJ FOs for a 1/9 class and 15 FOs for a 1/23 class. We have recalled 113 in this go around with classes scheduled for Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr and May 2012.

Show numbers will not be known until 1/24 when the drug test results come back.

Sniper 01-02-2012 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by BarbieTrash (Post 1110824)
They can't fire you because you never would have taken or passed a DOT drug test therefore you never could be employed and they can't fire you. PRIA would never even come in to play.

Your optimism is inspiring, but perhaps misguided. HAve you ever been furloughed, 'BarbieJet'? More specifically, what is your background in the law and/or HR rules? You took a drug test when you started working for Mesa. What legal requirement is there to take another one upon your return to Mesa from a furlough? Please cite it. No other airline (that I know of) requires a drug test prior to recall. Perhaps Lori Clark could chime in here - she's former Mesa HR (did all the pilot hiring).

If you want to take it to court, you might win with this strategy, maybe. However, your possible victory in court may ring hollow when you think about all the airlines that didn't hire you . . . you'll never know, was it you, or your PRIA?

I hope nobody would actually consider their PRIA safe b/c of something an anonymous poster wrote on the internet. In the mean time, if you're so unprofessional as to try to employ the 'I no-showed the class after I told the company I wanted to come back' strategy, please consider the pilot junior to you, on the street, who needs this recall badly.

nordo 01-03-2012 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 1111004)
In the mean time, if you're so unprofessional as to try to employ the 'I no-showed the class after I told the company I wanted to come back' strategy, please consider the pilot junior to you, on the street, who needs this recall badly.

Amen to that.

I know some folks who have said yes, but have no intention of coming back, and have gotten class dates already. Management/HR stopped short of assigning classes to the bottom guys on the last recall list because they think they've "filled" the classes; sorry but no, they haven't as they'll find out when these guys don't show up on the appointed day.

I'd love to get a letter and a class date, but as long as people are playing these games it's going to be later rather than sooner for me and others waiting to go back to work.

Serendib 01-03-2012 11:34 AM

Thank you!

Da808er 01-03-2012 12:03 PM

You will no doubt get your recall letter...be ready for it. I know of at least 10 - 15 pilots accepted and not returning for sure...

rickair7777 01-03-2012 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by BarbieTrash (Post 1110824)
They can't fire you because you never would have taken or passed a DOT drug test therefore you never could be employed and they can't fire you. PRIA would never even come in to play.

You're making things up. No law says that you have to pass the DOT before you are employed, you just have to pass it before you fly the line. I've always taken the drug test after I started training, or the day of, but never beforehand.

When they get a PRIA request down the road they can return it indicating that you were fired for unauthorized absence. The exact legality is somewhat questionable but don't put it past them. I actually suspect they would win if you sued them but either way you will have lost one or more job opportunities which you will never get back.

I'm not saying don't do it, just something to consider.

But the guy who actually WANTS to get recalled to mesa for reasons which are beyond me has a good point...in addition to jerking mesa around you are also jerking some pilots around.


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