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Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1432313)

Yes I know you operate into ord and iad, but Mesa doesn't nearly operate the same volume as OO/EV. 50 odd planes compared to what 300+ planes operating ord, iad, iah, den ect... Having lesser volume does help with the stats is all I am trying to say.

I'm surprised they're going to entrust you with people's lives with your lack of understanding of how this industry works. DEN and IAH busy? Thank goodness they stay away from those hotspots and instead operate heavily in the tame areas of ATL and LGA. And as far as your numbers 'logic' goes; put down your crayons before you hurt yourself. United bases performance on percentages. Mesa happens to be at the top 2 consecutively for the past couple years....every month. In case you don't understand what I'm saying, lets use a hypothetical situation. I've been drinking too much to care about the actual real life numbers. It doesn't really matter to show what I mean anyways. Say Mesa has D0 (it's a main united on time performance measurement but I'm sure you already knew that's a you've proven your operational prowess) on 9 out of their 10 departures that day. That's 90% D0. Now say 00 has 9000000 out of their daily 10000000 departures, their D0 is......90%. Equal. Doesn't matter the amount. It's percentage. Sorry if I sound mean, but don't just rag on a company and state purely false statements based on no logic or fact. We need thinkers to represent us, not 12yo hallway rumor runners.

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1432047)

They only need to reduce the 50 seat jets IF they exceed 153 76 seat jets. And that requires them to purchase new SNB aircraft. With that said, they don't need leverage to get rid of ALL of XJT's 50 seat jets. They will automatically come off as leases expire.

Below is straight from their TA Summary which shows a hard cap on UAX ships of 450.......? However my math was wrong, it's not 165 that need to be removed, it's 168.

SCOPE
Very broadly, Scope establishes United pilot flying protections and at the same time allows the Company to generate certain revenue through connections with operations conducted by other air carriers (where the flying is not flown by United pilots). One of the most complex tasks faced with the JCBA was to not only modernize the Scope section, but to also cover the spectrum from United Express flying to international joint ventures. The legacy Continental Scope section was used as the basis for this section in the TA, beginning with a definition of Company Flying that preserves all flying for United pilots unless the flying is included within agreed-upon exceptions.

• UAX (Express flying) block hour ratio restriction based on narrowbody single-aisle block hours at DOS
• No 76-seat aircraft until Jan. 1, 2014; current legacy United 70-seat and turboprop limits until then
- After Jan 1, 2014: Cap 70-/76-seat aircraft at 255 hulls; no more than 130 76-seat aircraft
- Q400 included in 76-seat aircraft count limits (currently no limit in legacy Continental contract)
- UAL currently has 148 70-seat aircraft and 35 Q400s
- Under JCBA definitions, UAL currently has 183 of the 255 70/76-seat aircraft
• After Jan. 1, 2016: Cap 76-seat aircraft at 153
• Can only go above 153 76-seat aircraft if new small narrowbody aircraft added to UAL fleet and forces reduction of 70-seat aircraft from 148 to 102 cap
• Must park 50-seat aircraft if going above 153 76-seat aircraft
• Maximum UAX hard cap of 450 total hulls, from current 588
• All 76-seat aircraft downgraded to 70-seats (remove seats) if furlough
• New small narrowbody aircraft – we fly it, forces reduction in UAX block hour ratio limit and number of 50- seat aircraft

Yeah, same thing I read.

"Must park 50-seat aircraft IF going above 153 76-seat aircraft" and "Can only go above 153 76-seat aircraft IF new small narrowbody aircraft added to UAL fleet..."

That's the loophole. The cap only happens if both those IFs happen.

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1432428)

Your statement is correct until 2016. On January 1, 2016 United Express must have NO MORE than 450 total aircraft, 153 of them can be 76 seaters. If they want more than 153 76 seaters they must park enough 50 seaters to remain below the 450 cap and add a NB fleet to mainline.

By the end of 2015 Delta will be capped at 450 RJs as well.

So if you look at the numbers above, it states that United is around 70 airplanes away from the 255 threshold, 40 are going to SKW and 30 have not been awarded a home publicly. After this if they want to add more 76 seaters they have to add a NB mainline fleet and continue to park 50 seaters. So United has to park 130 airframes to get below the 450 cap and continue to park airplanes to accommodate the 76 seaters. United has to park 200 50 seaters over the next 2 1/2 years. So if SKW inc doesn't get the other 30 seaters you will see 40 airframes come in and a huge chuck of the 200 that have to be parked will come from SKW inc simply because they are the whom has most of the 50 seaters. I counted less than 50 combined 50 seat airframes at other carriers. Delta also has another 30 airframes without a home and AA will likely spread the love around even more. I think they are using Eagle to drive down pilot pay but they will still shrink us as they transfer people to AA and attrition to other places.

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1432428)

Ok, I see now how it's written so that the cap doesn't come into effect until 2016.

But assuming you are correct (no reason to think you aren't), I still think a big chunk of the parked 50 seaters will come from XJT. They currently have 251 of them flying as UAX and they automatically get parked as leases expire (assuming they don't extend them anymore).

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1432538)

As things stand today with the addition of the 40 SKW Ejets and the 30 that haven't been awarded United will be parking 200 50 seaters in the next two years to comply with the SCOPE max. SKW in operates the majority of the 50 seaters. I believe there is something like 35-40 at carriers not owned by SKW Inc, so there will be over 150 airplanes coming there. In essence, there will be 40 airplanes coming in for United and 150+ leaving. 3-1 ratio. Eagle will be faced with a similar situation as well as other carriers. This doesn't take into account whipsaw and how SKW will now have Ejets so RAH doesn't have the monopoly on these airplanes. We are all going to suffer while we are at the regionals.

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Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1432138)

What?! YV is constantly top one or two performer each month on the UAX side.

That's because they don't operate nearly as many flights as OO and EV into busier airports filled with delays and flows.

What?! Volume doesn't matter it's based on percentages. 9 out of 10 on time departures and 900 out of 1000 on time departures are both a 90% on time. Were you sleeping during 7th grade math???

It's true... mesa is the top performer in on time performance for several years. And I guess some people didn't take or understand statistics in high school or college.

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1432538)

Oh ok, you are talking about Skywest inc. I thought you were just talking about Skywest airlines.

Welp...it's official. 30 EJETs for Mesa.

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Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1482964)

Welp...it's official. 30 EJETs for Mesa.

Gonna need more proof than that