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H46Bubba 11-20-2013 03:15 PM

Unsolicited Job Offer for Mesa?
 
Has anyone out there received an unsolicited job offer from Mesa recently. I have an acquaintance that never applied or interview at Mesa and just received a offer for CR9 FO.:confused: He's happily employed elsewhere, but interested to find out if this is legit.

TBucket 11-20-2013 03:17 PM

Yep, all they need is his bank account information so they can transfer his signing bonus!

3stripes 11-20-2013 03:29 PM

Yes! Actually I received one today. No interview, nothing. I was offered a CRJ-900 course starting Summer next year. Very strange.

Cyborgmudhen 11-20-2013 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by 3stripes (Post 1524469)
Yes! Actually I received one today. No interview, nothing. I was offered a CRJ-900 course starting Summer next year. Very strange.

Yup, me too. Do note that it is contingent on what is essentially an interview.
This represents the first contact I've had from Mesa:

"These are very exciting times at Mesa. As you may know, as a result of our outstanding operating performance as well as our competitive cost structure, we have been awarded new contracts which will nearly double the size of our company over the next several years.

We are committed to approaching this growth very carefully and thoughtfully. By being proactive, we believe we will insure that we have an adequate and steady supply of qualified aviators.

We want to thank you for your interest in Mesa. After a thorough review of your application we are pleased to offer you a class date to begin First Officer training. This offer is contingent upon the satisfactory completion of the following:

• a DOT drug screening
• a background and reference check
• a basic skills and general evaluation

Starting Rate of Pay: $22.18 per Flight Hour.

Report Date: June 18, 2014 Time: 0600 Equipment Type - CRJ 900

Upon receipt of your acceptance of this offer, you will be scheduled and booked for Hotel & Travel based upon the origination point you enter below. Travel will be scheduled for one day prior to your report date. Your date of birth and origination city are for ticketing purposes only. Your itinerary will be sent via email at least 14 days prior to your report date.

Although this offer is for a future date, please keep in mind that we are in the early stages of staffing for a large expansion that we expect will continue for the next several years. Beginning late Spring 2014, we will begin training for the E-175 Jet.

We understand that individual circumstances may change and want to emphasize that we are committed to working with you and to being as flexible as possible with regard to this start date. If anything changes please call us to discuss your individual situation.

Mesa is about to begin an exciting new era which will prove to be one of the best opportunities in the industry for our new aviators. We all look forward to welcoming you to our team. Please email your signed invitation to:
[email protected] so we may proceed with the next phase and get you in class


Sincerely,




Alvin Isaacs
Mesa Air Group-Chief Pilot

__________________________________/ ____________________
Signature of Acceptance/ Date

_____________________/ ____________________
Date of Birth/ Origination City

() I am available to accept an earlier class date.

Your acceptance of this offer letter acknowledges that this letter represents the entire agreements between you and Mesa Air Group and that no verbal or written agreements, promises or representations that are not specifically stated in this offer, are, or will be binding upon Mesa Air Group.

This letter does not create a contract for employment, nor does it alter your status as an “AT WILL” employee with the Comp"

jowong1 11-20-2013 04:22 PM

are you guys saying you never filled out an airlineapp or talked to a recruiter at job fair and received an job offer letter from mesa??? Is it similar to those nigerian spam emails?

sevenforseven 11-20-2013 04:43 PM

Someone should call the recruiting department and see if it is legit. Or maybe someone with Mesa can confirm it here.

exwaterski 11-20-2013 05:51 PM

Sounds like they are trying to get ahead of the curve with basically an open invitation to whoever has the qualifications subject to passing the background check, etc. I wonder if they'll double down with a signing bonus next.

JohnnyG 11-20-2013 05:56 PM

This really doesn't seem as if it's to be believed, no matter how many people come on here and claim it happened to them.

ShyGuy 11-20-2013 06:19 PM


we believe we will insure that we have an adequate and steady supply of qualified aviators.
How? Is AIG providing pilots?

sevenforseven 11-20-2013 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by jowong1 (Post 1524532)
are you guys saying you never filled out an airlineapp or talked to a recruiter at job fair and received an job offer letter from mesa??? Is it similar to those nigerian spam emails?

No. I have my app on airline apps and I got the same thing as others here. I don't know about the others, but I have an ATP, jet type and prior 121 experience. Maybe they are making selections based on that?

prior121 11-20-2013 06:43 PM

This is SPAM. Classes aren't even filled for February yet and EJET classes will be running next summer. Someone has taken the generic offer letter, edited it and had some fun.

Cyborgmudhen 11-20-2013 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by sevenforseven (Post 1524683)
No. I have my app on airline apps and I got the same thing as others here. I don't know about the others, but I have an ATP, jet type and prior 121 experience. Maybe they are making selections based on that?

No type rating here, and merely a completed ATP written, no 121 experience. Prior military with FMS/glass experience.

I, too, have filled out Airline Apps, and the Mesa addendum.
I've sent my stuff back to the email specified.
I'll letcha y'all know if I've been spoofed or if this is for real.....

sevenforseven 11-20-2013 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1524699)
This is SPAM. Classes aren't even filled for February yet and EJET classes will be running next summer. Someone has taken the generic offer letter, edited it and had some fun.

A spoofed email from airline apps? That's the address that the sender is using: [email protected]

flynavyj 11-20-2013 07:37 PM

Considering Mesa uses airline apps for their recruitment, it doesn't really surprise me that they're using an airline apps e-mail address. They probably use it to receive all their e-mails and filter them accordingly.

prior121 11-20-2013 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by sevenforseven (Post 1524726)
Quote:





Originally Posted by prior121


This is SPAM. Classes aren't even filled for February yet and EJET classes will be running next summer. Someone has taken the generic offer letter, edited it and had some fun.




A spoofed email from airline apps? That's the address that the sender is using: [email protected]

Yeah, I stand corrected. I skimmed the email without reading the whole thing. Seems like an offer for the next step of the process. I guess this would be backfill to the CRJ for the current CRJ FOs upgrading.

exwaterski 11-20-2013 07:52 PM

The longer time frame might actually appeal to those with long term commitments like military, expats working overseas, etc. Perhaps without realizing it they are making themselves accessible to a larger pool of pilots. I don't know exactly what their strategy is but it seems like a novel approach.

sevenforseven 11-20-2013 08:28 PM

6 months out -- wow. That's quite a while if you're on a job search. A lot can happen in six months.

IDIOTPILOT 11-20-2013 08:47 PM

This is why I hate AirlineApps. Of course, I want to keep my profile to apply to CAL and DAL. But there's no way to unapply to these airlines I applied to years ago before my first regional job.

USMCFLYR 11-21-2013 03:03 AM

If they are using airlineapps to target, is it really unsolicited?
If there are no offers then pilots complain.
If there are offers then pilots complain.

Cyborgmudhen 11-21-2013 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1524837)
If they are using airlineapps to target, is it really unsolicited?
If there are no offers then pilots complain.
If there are offers then pilots complain.

No complaints here.....NONE !
Quite happy.

H46Bubba 11-21-2013 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1524837)
If they are using airlineapps to target, is it really unsolicited?
If there are no offers then pilots complain.
If there are offers then pilots complain.

I don't think it's a matter of complaining of being solicited, it's just a matter of validity. Though the three guys I know that received offers never applied for Mesa.

BaronRouge380 11-21-2013 06:41 AM

This is totally weird! Could anyone call Mesa to verify these offers are legit?

CBreezy 11-21-2013 06:49 AM

Why is this shocking to you people? They have to hire 300 pilots and have already been conducting the lowest form of screening, phone interviews, to desperately try and fill their classes. I'm more surprised that anyone here is surprised.

FaceBiter 11-21-2013 07:19 AM

I have a friend who likes anabolic steroids. Think he can get hired there?

sevenforseven 11-21-2013 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by BaronRouge380 (Post 1524972)
This is totally weird! Could anyone call Mesa to verify these offers are legit?

I've been trying since yesterday. I can't get anyone to call me back or answer the phone.

Slats 11-21-2013 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1525014)
I have a friend who likes anabolic steroids. Think he can get hired there?

Only when nipple sensitivity sets in will Mesa call...

Snickers 11-21-2013 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1525014)
I have a friend who likes anabolic steroids. Think he can get hired there?

Can he bench 330?

prior121 11-21-2013 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by H46Bubba (Post 1524925)
I don't think it's a matter of complaining of being solicited, it's just a matter of validity. Though the three guys I know that received offers never applied for Mesa.

But I guarantee they had their apps on AirlineApps.

prior121 11-21-2013 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1524982)
Why is this shocking to you people? They have to hire 300 pilots and have already been conducting the lowest form of screening, phone interviews, to desperately try and fill their classes. I'm more surprised that anyone here is surprised.

I'm not sure if desperate would be the current term. Sounds like there's lots of guys applying/calling and not hearing anything. Our classes are 100% shows.

I wouldn't go as far as using the word "lazy" as I have a lot of respect for the two guys doing ALL the recruiting and interviews. However that's lots of work for two guys, I see why they don't have every interested candidate positive spaced to PHX for a "dog and pony show" like a lot of the other regionals.

What do you really learn about a guy in a 15 minute interview? Other than they can be a chameleon during the two hour interview and company presentation.

sevenforseven 11-21-2013 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1525248)
I'm not sure if desperate would be the current term. Sounds like there's lots of guys applying/calling and not hearing anything. Our classes are 100% shows.

I wouldn't go as far as using the word "lazy" as I have a lot of respect for the two guys doing ALL the recruiting and interviews. However that's lots of work for two guys, I see why they don't have every interested candidate positive spaced to PHX for a "dog and pony show" like a lot of the other regionals.

What do you really learn about a guy in a 15 minute interview? Other than they can be a chameleon during the two hour interview and company presentation.

Well I talked to the recruiting manager. She said she was "concerned" that no one had actually talked to me and that I didn't have a personal contact reference on my offer letter. She said the return email address was correct.

If this is legit, it seems we have a case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing - what a shock.

Although I did find it pretty strange that someone would get a job offer 6 months out without ANY personal contact first. I'm kind of new to all of this, but that seems a little careless.

Pogey Bait 11-21-2013 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1525014)
I have a friend who likes anabolic steroids. Think he can get hired there?

Is his neck less than 17 inches in diameter? If so, I think he is in luck.

block30 11-21-2013 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1525248)
I'm not sure if desperate would be the current term. Sounds like there's lots of guys applying/calling and not hearing anything. Our classes are 100% shows.

I wouldn't go as far as using the word "lazy" as I have a lot of respect for the two guys doing ALL the recruiting and interviews. However that's lots of work for two guys, I see why they don't have every interested candidate positive spaced to PHX for a "dog and pony show" like a lot of the other regionals.

What do you really learn about a guy in a 15 minute interview? Other than they can be a chameleon during the two hour interview and company presentation.

This is a good point. There are definitely people who will say "the right thing" in an interview, and once hired, go back to being themselves. Then there are the folks that undersell themselves or don't interview well and get eliminated before they even start. Sometimes you need to work with someone for awhile to even begin to see who this person really is. The reality is that this costs money.

sevenforseven 11-21-2013 12:49 PM

So have any of you guys responded?

flynavyj 11-21-2013 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1524837)
If they are using airlineapps to target, is it really unsolicited?
If there are no offers then pilots complain.
If there are offers then pilots complain.

More job offers the better, allows pilots to turn the offers down and when someone asks for an explanation they can say "Compensation...or lack thereof"

Cyborgmudhen 11-21-2013 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by sevenforseven (Post 1525332)
So have any of you guys responded?

I have.
Haven't heard anything back yet.
Can't get anyone from pilot recruiting on the phone.
Spoke to an operator who said the recruiting team was busy with interviews until Monday.

sulkair 11-21-2013 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Cyborgmudhen (Post 1525476)
I have.
Haven't heard anything back yet.
Can't get anyone from pilot recruiting on the phone.
Spoke to an operator who said the recruiting team was busy with interviews until Monday.

Did anyone pay attention to what email address the offer was sent to? Was it an email address you provided to airlineapps or a different one? This just seems so unusual. I received an unsolicited email from Republic several weeks ago. It was not an offer, but an invitation to apply. I wondered how they had my email, then I remembered I applied to Frontier months ago. Had to have dug it from that file. This seems a little more normal than these offers.

sevenforseven 11-21-2013 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 1525504)
Did anyone pay attention to what email address the offer was sent to? Was it an email address you provided to airlineapps or a different one? This just seems so unusual. I received an unsolicited email from Republic several weeks ago. It was not an offer, but an invitation to apply. I wondered how they had my email, then I remembered I applied to Frontier months ago. Had to have dug it from that file. This seems a little more normal than these offers.

Yes and I verified that it was correct. The recruiting manager's response was a bit concerning, given that she was concerned about a job offer without any kind of phone interview..

exwaterski 11-21-2013 04:33 PM

............

Packrat 11-21-2013 04:35 PM

Back in the early '60s UAL did the same thing when guys got their Commercial ticket...automatic job offer.

LIOG41 11-21-2013 04:40 PM

I hope the FAA is watching this.


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