ScottyDo

Ask any ALPA or MEC guy if less boddies coming through the door doesn't give them leverage in negotiations. After you do that get back to me.

Duct Mon

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giggity37

Everyone at my last regional kept preaching the same thing. Now they are in bankruptcy and about lose a bunch of flying. The Capts would fly slow, write everything up, and do everything in their power to screw over the company. Only people it hurt was the fo's with a non existent upgrade. I would love to see you complain to any express jet fo about how horrible it is with your quick upgrade and lack of reserve time

ScottyDo

And you know what? Good on them for actually having some balls and getting the pay that they deserve instead of seeing shiny new airplanes and go "oh never mind we don't want money" like a few other regionals out there.

Have I once mentioned anything on here about upgrade times or lack of reserves? No, I'm talking about industry average pay and that is it.

iFlyRC

Ever been on the other side, looking in? Working horrible jobs just to survive? I have, and even a first year FO at Mesa has it a million times better. Sorry, i'd rather have a career, a steady paycheck, and leave my current job on my own terms. All of you talking tough about making the company pay have no clue just how much worse it can really be.

ScottyDo

Anddddddddddddd this is exactly why we are the lowest paid regional. Lol good job RC.

iFlyRC

Speak for yourself, Mesa in my case was the highest paying regional. I haven't hit the 4 year mark yet and making 65$ hr. Upgraded in 18 months.

SubwaySandwich

Hey, look at the brightside. You two DFW trolls will get to fly together.

iFlyRC

We probably have

Duct Mon

You have got be one of the most clueless people on here. I as well as many others grow tired of your postings. I don't normally bash someone or someone's opinion but you are as ignorant as they come. Have you noticed that there aren't many that are agreeing with your posts?
You came here under the same conditions as any new hire today. In fact the new hires ARE getting more money than you did. Your comparisons about other regionals having similar pay back then is true to a certain degree. But, what you fail to mention is there were many more regionals with more pay and better contracts. You could have gone there. Maybe you were blinded by the "Shiny Jet Syndrome" or quick upgrade like any others that are on property. As far as what the new hires today are attracted to are the same as when you were hired. 1st year pay isn't even a consideration to most of these. Quick upgrade, new airplanes, growing company, domiciles, easy interview, good training Dept, less time on RSV, are still the top considerations.
I would like to go into detail about your argument regarding your claims of new hire classes empty equal higher pay in a new contract. I am going to simplify this for you because I have seen how difficult it is for you to understand labor and economics.
First off is what you fail to recognize are the reasons why new pilots are coming here. It isn't about 1st year pay.
Second, the Fee for Departure and contracts to which Mesa gets paid.
If you think that empty classrooms equals a new contract you are as simple as they come. Most recently you can see it didn't work for Republic. They couldn't fill classes, new contract, classes started to fill, rumor of bk, empty classes, loss of flying, pilots quitting on fear of furlough.
In your situation you would want classes full. Why? While we have a moderate rate of attrition above our seniority number the attrition is higher below. Then if classes are empty and no one to fill the FO seat, Mesa returns/stop receiving airplanes and you get downgraded.
We will be lucky to see a new contract in the next 2 years. It will not be industry leading or even average. And IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE CLASSES ARE FULL!!!
I suggest you do some reading on how a regional airline makes money. Also, read some articles about Mesa and what's happened in the last 11 years. Their failed ops in Hawaii and a few lost lawsuits along the way. If you're trying make Mesa better because you have no other airline to go to (DUI, Failures), then this forum isn't the place. If Mesa is your career then get involved with ALPA and learn more about the airline industry. Not just how to fly a jet and ***** about it on a forum.