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02-25-2017 | 02:50 PM
#2751
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02-25-2017 | 05:11 PM
#2752
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All the union has to do is challenge it in court. Pressure you union reps to take it to a judge and ask them why they haven't already.
02-25-2017 | 05:31 PM
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Mesa ALPA has to picket to burn up the 2 million they were given. Do you think the public cares? Mesa is a private company! If they were public then picketing might get some public shareholders to worry. Mesa ALPA just has to show they are doing something with the money given to them from ALPA. If they really were serious however in getting a new contract they would file for mediation. That costs very little for the progress it would gain. Unfortunately for Andy, that would mean Mesa ALPA would have to come prepared to negotiate in mediation, no more stalling. I think ALPA national has no ideal that Andy is a company man. If you really care then either leave or raise hell to your union on filing for mediation. Forget picketing.
02-25-2017 | 05:57 PM
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There was some gray area. Prior to the current bonus the new hires were given money up until they finished IOE. Once out of training, they are an official employee and are operating under our current contract and rates. Now that the bonus is being given to am employee out of training, its a clear violation. You cant legally pay one pilot under the contract a different amount than a other pilot under the same contract.
All the union has to do is challenge it in court. Pressure you union reps to take it to a judge and ask them why they haven't already.
All the union has to do is challenge it in court. Pressure you union reps to take it to a judge and ask them why they haven't already.
02-25-2017 | 06:24 PM
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Pilots in training are still official employees and are covered by the union. There were people in my class who were paying union dues and receiving the bonus money at the same time, for multiple pay checks in a row. They were previous ALPA members so they had to pay dues from the very beginning.
02-25-2017 | 08:21 PM
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You are not an official line pilot until you finish IOE thus you are not entitled to the same protections of the contract as a fully qualified pilot. Ask any instructor or check airman. Therefore, this is the gray area that the company has operated in. The company is obligated to pay each employee the same wages that operate under the contract. There can be no special treatment. New hires in recent months are making significantly more money than a new hire only a few months prior to that. We have a clear case.
02-25-2017 | 08:26 PM
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Pilots in training are still official employees and are covered by the union. There were people in my class who were paying union dues and receiving the bonus money at the same time, for multiple pay checks in a row. They were previous ALPA members so they had to pay dues from the very beginning.
02-25-2017 | 08:31 PM
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You are not an official line pilot until you finish IOE thus you are not entitled to the same protections of the contract as a fully qualified pilot. Ask any instructor or check airman. Therefore, this is the gray area that the company has operated in. The company is obligated to pay each employee the same wages that operate under the contract. There can be no special treatment. New hires in recent months are making significantly more money than a new hire only a few months prior to that. We have a clear case.
02-26-2017 | 04:54 AM
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You are not an official line pilot until you finish IOE thus you are not entitled to the same protections of the contract as a fully qualified pilot. Ask any instructor or check airman. Therefore, this is the gray area that the company has operated in. The company is obligated to pay each employee the same wages that operate under the contract. There can be no special treatment. New hires in recent months are making significantly more money than a new hire only a few months prior to that. We have a clear case.
I've been here a year and a half and someone who starts today makes more in their first year than I do in my second year if you count their bonus. With that being said I have determined that my value to the company (in their eyes) goes down a little more each day.
02-26-2017 | 05:50 AM
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I think you're getting a little mixed up. The contract doesn't reference "fully qualified pilots" at all in regards to employee status. The only difference in treatment occurs after your probationary period is up at a year with the company and has nothing to do with compensation. IIRC it is only the disciplinary section that kicks in after a year. You're a pilot employee the first day of ground school.
There is legal precedence for this. Compass Airlines had a similar suit that went to mediation. We have a case and even reps in our union are aware of the precedence and the line that was crossed when offering the bonuses long term of the course of years. No doubt about it.
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