Rc12driver

Long story short. A year and a half ago my house burned down to include my original logbook that had all my endorsements signed off (high alt, pressurization, complex, high performance). There is no way I can remember 20 years worth of instructor pilots who signed me off to track them down to resign a new logbook.

I spent a career as a military pilot. I hold an FAA commercial asel, amel and rotorcraft (all from Army aircraft, yes we actually do have airplanes and single engine ones too lol). I also have a be200, be300 and dash7 type rating. Even though I did military comp for all my ratings, I am new to civilian GA flying and want to be legal. I did a BFR in a single engine plane but it had fixed gear and was under 200hp so I couldn't ask the cfi who did my BFR endorsement to sign off on the other endorsements.

My question is do I have to go out and pay a cfi to redo all my other endorsements? Or since I have type ratings (and my army records for training) for airplanes that are high performance, high altitude, complex, etc am I good to go?

My understanding is right now without my logbook endorsements I can't even go fly a Cessna 182rg, but I could be a PIC of a king air 300. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Last question is IF having type ratings for planes that would require an endorsement would make it legal to go fly say a Cessna 182rg do I have to put any written statements in my logbook to be legal or if I get ramp checked do I just show my ticket?

Thanks.

JohnBurke

You won't need high performance or complex if you logged time as PIC in those aircraft prior to 1997. You won't need a high altitude endorsement if you logged PIC in a simulator or actual high altitude airplane (eg, above FL250) prior to 1991. Tailwheel privileges, 1991.

A high altitude training and endorsement required by 14 CFR 61.31(g) is not required if you've completed an official pilot in command check conducted by the military, and can show documentation to that effect.. See 61.31(g)(3)(iii).

Complex and high performance endorsements are not covered by military training, which is to say that they are still required despite military training.

rickair7777

I think you need two of the endorsements, unless the FAA has issued a legal interpretation to the contrary (I'm not doing that search, but you can). There's nothing in the regs that I know of that automatically grants complex or high performance endorsements to mil pilots.

61.33(g)(3)(III) grants high alt privileges to military PICs. Presumably you have some sort of records that indicate or imply that you completed a military PIC check? Even if you don't have the original flight logs, something like a manpower code in your personnel records showing AC commander or flight lead, or qualification in a single-pilot AC would suffice IMO.

Also, again as far as I know, possession of a type rating does not waive the requirement for those endorsements, as not all type rated airplanes are necessarily complex. Normally you'd get the training and the endorsement, if needed, when you did the type. So I don't think you can fly a king air either.

However...how long ago did you do your military training? 61.33(e)(2) grandfathers the requirement for a complex endorsement if you logged time in a complex airplane before 8/4/1997. The high performance has the same exemption.

Rc12driver

Thanks for replying. I did my training after 1997 so that doesn't apply for me.

I do have my IATF that show I completed a PIC check in numerous King Airs and Dash-7. Plus it shows on my APART that I was a PIC. So any ideas on how I transfer that into a logbook endorsement? Or do I have to carry my Army flight records every time I fly?

So even though I have a King Air 300 type rating (and thousands of hours flying a king air 300 documented in my army 759), (which if I was a civilian, I would have needed all those endorsements to get that type rating or fly that plane), it does not serve as proof of having all those endorsements? Even though the king air 300 is complex, high power, and high altitude. And even though I am type rated in king air 300s I can't fly one until I go get those endorsements redone? Is this correct?

Thanks

Rc12driver

Long story short. A year and a half ago my house burned down to include my original logbook that had all my endorsements signed off (high alt, pressurization, complex, high performance). There is no way I can remember 20 years worth of instructor pilots who signed me off to track them down to resign a new logbook.

I spent a career as a military pilot. I hold an FAA commercial asel, amel and rotorcraft (all from Army aircraft, yes we actually do have airplanes and single engine ones too lol). I also have a be200, be300 and dash7 type rating. Even though I did military comp for all my ratings, I am new to civilian GA flying and want to be legal. I did a BFR in a single engine plane but it had fixed gear and was under 200hp so I couldn't ask the cfi who did my BFR endorsement to sign off on the other endorsements.

My question is do I have to go out and pay a cfi to redo all my other endorsements? Or since I have type ratings (and my army records for training) for airplanes that are high performance, high altitude, complex, etc am I good to go?

My understanding is right now without my logbook endorsements I can't even go fly a Cessna 182rg, but I could be a PIC of a king air 300. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Last question is IF having type ratings for planes that would require an endorsement would make it legal to go fly say a Cessna 182rg do I have to put any written statements in my logbook to be legal or if I get ramp checked do I just show my ticket?

Last bit of info. I started flying fixedwing in 2004 so that 1997 exception does not apply.

Thanks.

Atlas Shrugged

You are saying that you have all of your Army 759 printouts?

One of our helo guys lost his logbook flying in the Gulf of Mexico. Seems like I remember him saying he went to the FISDO with all his records and they reconstructed them. But why is there not a record of all of your ratings?

BeatNavy

You don't need to carry logbooks (where endorsements are held) when you fly (less a couple exceptions for student pilots and the like). In fact it is encouraged to not do that (crashes tend to destroy logbooks which are used in crash investigations, among other things). When ramp checked, you need your pilot cert and medical (as far as personal items to be checked). If the FAA wanted you to present your endorsements, they'd have them printed on your license to carry with you as they do your various ratings. Prospective employers or insurance companies are the only ones who will ask to see endorsements afaik.

Also, most readers of this board aren't army, so APART, IATF, and 759 are foreign to them. But, you don't need your army flights/records in your personal logbook (I transferred all mine just for easier computation of various flight times, but using a 759 in an interview is perfectly acceptable). If you ever need to produce them, your army documents will be just fine for those items for which military training can be used. Also, if you are still in, you don't need a BFR. Your APART satisfies that requirement.

EMAW

All good questions. I'm not sure about getting the endorsements, but you shouldn't need them with the types you have. It'll be understood. As far as getting ramp checked, i don't know anyone who carries their logbook with them in flights and I don't recommend it. MAYBE if you are doing training, but I've been ramped a few times and I've never been asked for anything peraonal but license and medical. If they would like to see my logbook, they can set up a meeting. I've also been up for a few type rides and my ATP, no one since I received my first CJ checkout has ever asked to see the endorsements.

Rc12driver

Awesome advise. Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Rc12driver

I printed a copy of my 759 when I retired. That is how I have a copy of that.

My civilian logbooks that had endorsements signed by military IP's who were also civilian CFIs burned in a house fire and over the years I don't remember who signed what or how to even get ahold of them.

I have my civilian faa license. It is a commercial, airplane single and multi engine land, rotorcraft - helicopter, instrument airplane and helicopter. With BE-200, BE-300, S-70, and DSH-7 type ratings.

My question is I have high altitude, high performance, complex type ratings. But no endorsements in my new civilian logbook. Can I go fly a Cessna182rg or similar without the logbook endorsement?