Military to civ conversion - rotor specific
04-03-2017, 12:29 PM
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: military rotary wing, dual seat
Posts: 135
I had am excel with crazy formulas and arrays that I made over a decade ago to track all my crap. I got mcc and I'm 7 days converted my haggard system over to that.
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04-05-2017, 10:14 AM
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: P-28
Posts: 151
I have not interviewed with Envoy, but I've spoken to them on the phone about what they are counting as PIC time with respect to the Navy and Air Force rotor pilots who have fixed wing time. Someone else can correct me if they are in the program, but their are using the 1st pilot time (Navy log books) as acting PIC towards your ATP minimums. Most guys will have finished primary and intermediates with 80 to 100 hours.
This might seem like stretching the truth as you are not rated in the training aircraft, and are student pilots so you should not be able to log any form of PIC time beyond your solo flights. The catch is that the FAA already has recognized the flight time as PIC time. Most Navy rotor pilots go over to the FSDO as soon as they wing, take a test and are giving commercial SEL and helicopter certificates. To do this, the FSDO is saying you have met the requirement to log 100 hours of PIC (50 of which must be in airplanes for SEL and 35 in helicopters for the commercial helicopter certificate) needed for those commercial certificates. Depending on when you went through flight training, you only flew three or four solo flights for 5 to 8 hours of solo time. If they were not counting the first pilot time as PIC, then it would be hard to show in your log books where they are coming up with the rest of the PIC time for the commercial certificates.
So, if you are a Navy rotor pilot trying to figure out how many more hours of fixed wing time you need to meet the ATP mins, then start with your first pilot time you flew during your fixed wing training and go from there. You will still need that MEL.
As for conversions...many have said it, but the best thing to do is to make your digital log books match your Military ones when it comes to time. Trying to explain how you applied a 0.2 or 0.3 conversion factor at an interview isn't something you want to do. When you do interview you could point out that no conversion factor has been applied, or you could ask an airline if they use a conversion factor prior to the interview that they want you to use.
This might seem like stretching the truth as you are not rated in the training aircraft, and are student pilots so you should not be able to log any form of PIC time beyond your solo flights. The catch is that the FAA already has recognized the flight time as PIC time. Most Navy rotor pilots go over to the FSDO as soon as they wing, take a test and are giving commercial SEL and helicopter certificates. To do this, the FSDO is saying you have met the requirement to log 100 hours of PIC (50 of which must be in airplanes for SEL and 35 in helicopters for the commercial helicopter certificate) needed for those commercial certificates. Depending on when you went through flight training, you only flew three or four solo flights for 5 to 8 hours of solo time. If they were not counting the first pilot time as PIC, then it would be hard to show in your log books where they are coming up with the rest of the PIC time for the commercial certificates.
So, if you are a Navy rotor pilot trying to figure out how many more hours of fixed wing time you need to meet the ATP mins, then start with your first pilot time you flew during your fixed wing training and go from there. You will still need that MEL.
As for conversions...many have said it, but the best thing to do is to make your digital log books match your Military ones when it comes to time. Trying to explain how you applied a 0.2 or 0.3 conversion factor at an interview isn't something you want to do. When you do interview you could point out that no conversion factor has been applied, or you could ask an airline if they use a conversion factor prior to the interview that they want you to use.
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