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Blackhawk 10-24-2017 06:13 AM

I won't be surprised to see this soon with other services. I just spoke to some Army pilots I know who are still active duty. The selection rate for civilians applying to flight school has run 100% of qualified applicants the last few boards. Enlisted applying to flight school it is now running 75% acceptance rate. Some of the "distinct" units have been crippled recently by retirements and are canceling classes for new pilots as they aren't getting enough assessments and combining companies due to a lack of bodies to fill airframes.
For those beginning a career, it may well be a good time to do so.

rickair7777 10-24-2017 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2453349)
I won't be surprised to see this soon with other services. I just spoke to some Army pilots I know who are still active duty. The selection rate for civilians applying to flight school has run 100% of qualified applicants the last few boards. Enlisted applying to flight school it is now running 75% acceptance rate. Some of the "distinct" units have been crippled recently by retirements and are canceling classes for new pilots as they aren't getting enough assessments and combining companies due to a lack of bodies to fill airframes.
For those beginning a career, it may well be a good time to do so.

If the military can't fill flight school slots, now I'm worried about a pilot shortage.

Blackhawk 10-24-2017 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2453445)
If the military can't fill flight school slots, now I'm worried about a pilot shortage.

Just to clarify, not the flight school slots canceled but classes for advanced training for some units due to a lack of volunteers for those units. I did not want to list specific units.

rickair7777 10-24-2017 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2453450)
Just to clarify, not the flight school slots canceled but classes for advanced training for some units due to a lack of volunteers for those units. I did not want to list specific units.

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JTwift 10-24-2017 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2453349)
I won't be surprised to see this soon with other services. I just spoke to some Army pilots I know who are still active duty. The selection rate for civilians applying to flight school has run 100% of qualified applicants the last few boards. Enlisted applying to flight school it is now running 75% acceptance rate. Some of the "distinct" units have been crippled recently by retirements and are canceling classes for new pilots as they aren't getting enough assessments and combining companies due to a lack of bodies to fill airframes.
For those beginning a career, it may well be a good time to do so.

The Army has the "luxury" of Warrant Officers. The Air Force is too stubborn to entertain that idea.

Blackhawk 10-24-2017 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 2453585)
The Army has the "luxury" of Warrant Officers. The Air Force is too stubborn to entertain that idea.

Or do what the British Army does (did?), with flight officers. I was assigned with a British flight lieutenant in Africa once who must have been in his 50's.

hindsight2020 10-24-2017 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 2453585)
The Army has the "luxury" of Warrant Officers. The Air Force is too stubborn to entertain that idea.

This has been addressed before. An enlisted member with USAF fixed wing turbine experience would have an even greater incentive not to stay for a flying career than a commissioned officer in the first place (the salary opportunity cost delta is even more lopsided in favor of the enlisted punching out), so it actually exacerbates the retention issue. Throttle up the initial obligation as a response, and now you have an outright recruitment problem, officer or enlisted. Non-starter.

You would also have to line up all services to dilute the payrates for fixed wing turbine in unison, especially in tacair, otherwise you have no leverage. Not gonna happen.

Blackhawk 10-24-2017 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by hindsight2020 (Post 2453722)
This has been addressed before. An enlisted member with USAF fixed wing turbine experience would have an even greater incentive not to stay for a flying career than a commissioned officer in the first place (the salary opportunity cost delta is even more lopsided in favor of the enlisted punching out), so it actually exacerbates the retention issue. Throttle up the initial obligation as a response, and now you have an outright recruitment problem, officer or enlisted. Non-starter.

You would also have to line up all services to dilute the payrates for fixed wing turbine in unison, especially in tacair, otherwise you have no leverage. Not gonna happen.

Warrant officers are not enlisted. But you knew that, right?

Blackhawk 10-25-2017 07:11 AM

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Does this sum it up?

crewdog58 10-25-2017 10:01 AM

They did this before back in 2009 and brought back 500 retired pilots (VRRADS). I was one of the 500.


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