Military PIC or 121 SIC? Which matters more?
10-19-2018, 07:23 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by SEAtoSummit
Sooo, this thread now has me worried.
I separated from active duty this summer and went to training at a regional while on my 90 days of terminal leave. I’ve finished training and have about 50 hours in type, but I now have to drop about 6 months of mil leave to do initial training in my new ANG squadron on a new MWS. I was under the impression that I would come back in the spring, do a few days of requal training in the RJ and take another checkride, restarting my consolidation clock. Have I just hosed myself by jumping the gun on joining a regional?
For reference, my stats are:
~2200TT, 900PIC
BS/MS with >3.5gpa for both
Prior AETC IP
No SEFE, chief pilot, or safety, but no other red flags
Loads of community involvement (volunteer, scoutmaster, etc)
Granted, the seniority list shows I can’t even hold a line in my base till next summer, and I will get more hours in the Guard (mixed SIC/PIC) than I would sitting reserve as an overstaffed FO, but have I shot myself in the foot? Or is 6-9 months of mandatory training in the Guard during my first year at the regionals understandable to the majors?
I separated from active duty this summer and went to training at a regional while on my 90 days of terminal leave. I’ve finished training and have about 50 hours in type, but I now have to drop about 6 months of mil leave to do initial training in my new ANG squadron on a new MWS. I was under the impression that I would come back in the spring, do a few days of requal training in the RJ and take another checkride, restarting my consolidation clock. Have I just hosed myself by jumping the gun on joining a regional?
For reference, my stats are:
~2200TT, 900PIC
BS/MS with >3.5gpa for both
Prior AETC IP
No SEFE, chief pilot, or safety, but no other red flags
Loads of community involvement (volunteer, scoutmaster, etc)
Granted, the seniority list shows I can’t even hold a line in my base till next summer, and I will get more hours in the Guard (mixed SIC/PIC) than I would sitting reserve as an overstaffed FO, but have I shot myself in the foot? Or is 6-9 months of mandatory training in the Guard during my first year at the regionals understandable to the majors?
I would probably lead the problem, at the interview there will be a "tell us about yourself" moment. I'd work the guard IQ into the story, making it clear it was just timing as opposed to you trying to game your way out of the first year at the regional.
Also if you don't consolidate within 120 days of the sim checkride, you will have to take another checkride.
10-19-2018, 08:06 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Also if you don't consolidate within 120 days of the sim checkride, you will have to take another checkride.
10-19-2018, 08:39 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
At AA you get a short requal course which is one day 1:1 with a GS instructor, one sim with a SimP(instructor), and then you go to a full recurrent training cycle to reset all your base month classes/quals/etc.
PC is similar, except they technically don't "have" to give you any warm up training but I think most companies would give you a little refresher and at least a warmup sim.
You also get some OE before they cut you lose.
But that's for someone who is already qualified. If you never consolidated, you will have to do a checkride, PC or LOE, whatever they normally do for initial and then finish consolidation.
Some places use PC for initial and AQP for recurrent. If that's the case you would have to do the PC if you never consolidated.
10-19-2018, 11:00 AM
#34
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Thanks for the input. Sounds like I need to get back to the airline before next summer to get recurrent and maybe work on my interview explanations with Emerald Coast. I honestly don’t want to spend one more day on AD than I have to, and even if I did, I’d have 8+ years needed for retirement so I couldn’t play that game (which I know Delt hates).
10-19-2018, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SEAtoSummit
Thanks for the input. Sounds like I need to get back to the airline before next summer to get recurrent and maybe work on my interview explanations with Emerald Coast. I honestly don’t want to spend one more day on AD than I have to, and even if I did, I’d have 8+ years needed for retirement so I couldn’t play that game (which I know Delt hates).
HR can tell the difference of a new airplane in the ANG/ Navy/USMC/USAF Reserve. That is a fact for some AD who go to a legacy who switch airframes in military and need to go to RTU training in first year of airline employment. Budgets and all.
Try to do seasoning in new mil airframe to minimize impact on regional time yet satisfy the squadron. Likely your family will pay heavily of your time.
Standard experience is someone or more is always unhappy with you being a dual hatted "employee" Military needs more flex, Airline wants you not to do any mil, and family pays because your trying to manage airline and military.
Good future to you, I think your fine.
10-19-2018, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
IMO, an IQ will be fine as I'm sure you will update your resume to reflect the IQ, RTU etc.
HR can tell the difference of a new airplane in the ANG/ Navy/USMC/USAF Reserve. That is a fact for some AD who go to a legacy who switch airframes in military and need to go to RTU training in first year of airline employment. Budgets and all.
Try to do seasoning in new mil airframe to minimize impact on regional time yet satisfy the squadron. Likely your family will pay heavily of your time.
Standard experience is someone or more is always unhappy with you being a dual hatted "employee" Military needs more flex, Airline wants you not to do any mil, and family pays because your trying to manage airline and military.
Good future to you, I think your fine.
HR can tell the difference of a new airplane in the ANG/ Navy/USMC/USAF Reserve. That is a fact for some AD who go to a legacy who switch airframes in military and need to go to RTU training in first year of airline employment. Budgets and all.
Try to do seasoning in new mil airframe to minimize impact on regional time yet satisfy the squadron. Likely your family will pay heavily of your time.
Standard experience is someone or more is always unhappy with you being a dual hatted "employee" Military needs more flex, Airline wants you not to do any mil, and family pays because your trying to manage airline and military.
Good future to you, I think your fine.
10-19-2018, 05:27 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You know you've achieved the right balance when your unit, civilian employer, and family all hate you.
10-19-2018, 09:01 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by Airbum
I would think that would almost be a illegal question to ask the interviewee. Military service is protected under Federal law. I however don't know for certain.
With that in mind I would split the time between the regional and the tanker job.
With that in mind I would split the time between the regional and the tanker job.
As others have mentioned, you’ll be fine splitting time with your unit; going on orders once in awhile isn’t a big deal. Just don’t do like some have in the past and voluntarily mil leave them for a year+ at a time. Maintain recency with both and you’ll be fine. The airlines recognize and appreciate that the military is a commitment, and they’ll thank you for your service. The airline just doesn’t want to play second fiddle, by seeing you appear to be more committed to your military gig than your 121 job; it raises questions as to how committed you’ll be to the new company if they hire you.
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