Going on mil leave before completing probation?
05-04-2007 | 02:02 PM
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IMO those that do this are only taking advantage of a law established to protect reservists and National Guard member’s jobs when they get involuntarily activated. I'm pretty sure it isn't in place to suppliment your first year income at XYZ airlines.
05-04-2007 | 05:10 PM
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I just don't know how someone could in good faith apply for a job and accept it knowing that as soon as you get it you are going to go volunteer to go back onto active duty to make up for lost wages. I can completely understand if you involuntarily got recalled back to active duty and you didn't have a choice in the matter. This seems like a common thing for guys to do in the airline industry. I just wonder how common of a practice it is in the rest of the business world.
What are you talking about "lost wages"?? Lost wages from what? The job you interviewed for? I dont think that is what everyone here is talking about.....
05-04-2007 | 06:32 PM
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It's no different than anyone else who works two jobs and takes time off from one to work for the other. The airlines aren't paying the military members when they are on mil leave and the military isn't paying them when they are working for the airlines. Either way the individual is busting his hump at one of his TWO jobs to make ends meet to take care of his family. On top of that, his/her second job (military) is something productive to the nation as a whole rather than simply lining his/her's own pockets.
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05-05-2007 | 07:56 AM
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WIth all due respect you are wrong about the purpose of the law. The law was not written just to protect those involuntarily called to duty. It was written to allow folks to VOLUNTEER in order to maintain the highest state of readiness. The law was written by 2 USAFR JAGS whose civilian jobs were in the Dept of Labor.
I have no sense of loyalty to the company that is comparable to what military service is like. If the Guard/Reserve unit has a need, the member should have no hiccups about taking mil leave. But your company must love your sense of obligation to work for peanuts.
05-05-2007 | 02:10 PM
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WIth all due respect you are wrong about the purpose of the law. The law was not written just to protect those involuntarily called to duty. It was written to allow folks to VOLUNTEER in order to maintain the highest state of readiness. The law was written by 2 USAFR JAGS whose civilian jobs were in the Dept of Labor.
I have no sense of loyalty to the company that is comparable to what military service is like. If the Guard/Reserve unit has a need, the member should have no hiccups about taking mil leave. But your company must love your sense of obligation to work for peanuts.
I have no sense of loyalty to the company that is comparable to what military service is like. If the Guard/Reserve unit has a need, the member should have no hiccups about taking mil leave. But your company must love your sense of obligation to work for peanuts.
If they were VOLUNTEERING to maintain a high level of readiness I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
05-05-2007 | 02:17 PM
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05-05-2007 | 02:27 PM
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I dont think "volunteering to go back onto active duty" is something anyone takes without serious consideration.
What are you talking about "lost wages"?? Lost wages from what? The job you interviewed for? I dont think that is what everyone here is talking about.....
What are you talking about "lost wages"?? Lost wages from what? The job you interviewed for? I dont think that is what everyone here is talking about.....
05-05-2007 | 03:30 PM
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With all due respect the people I'm referring to aren't VOLUNTEERING to maintain a high level of readiness they are VOLUNTEERING to supplement their first year of income at XYZ airlines.
If they were VOLUNTEERING to maintain a high level of readiness I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
If they were VOLUNTEERING to maintain a high level of readiness I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
05-05-2007 | 05:12 PM
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Take it easy!! What I mean by saying "The job you interviewed for" is that you applied for a job at XYZ airline, knowing what the first year pay is. If you didnt want the job, with the first year pay, then you shouldn't even apply there. I think you need to apply the rule of 3's here dude....
05-05-2007 | 08:02 PM
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Take it easy!! What I mean by saying "The job you interviewed for" is that you applied for a job at XYZ airline, knowing what the first year pay is. If you didnt want the job, with the first year pay, then you shouldn't even apply there. I think you need to apply the rule of 3's here dude....
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