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Old 08-16-2019, 01:20 PM
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Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Not a complaint, but just an observation. AFRC budget raided to pay for damage at Tyndall and Offutt. I get it...the money has to come from somewhere. I’m grateful there are LTMPA orders for the bums in the squadron.

First time in my 13 years as a reservist that I haven’t burned through all my TPs. This is the worst I’ve seen it in my career.

Our squadron’s stance is that we won’t bend over backwards to get creative to mintain currency. Let it fail... we will get recurrent eventually.

How bad is it for the rest of y’all?

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Old 08-16-2019, 02:13 PM
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Now you know how the Navy feels.
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Originally Posted by C-17 Driver View Post
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Not a complaint, but just an observation. AFRC budget raided to pay for damage at Tyndall and Offutt. I get it...the money has to come from somewhere. I’m grateful there are LTMPA orders for the bums in the squadron.

First time in my 13 years as a reservist that I haven’t burned through all my TPs. This is the worst I’ve seen it in my career.

Our squadron’s stance is that we won’t bend over backwards to get creative to mintain currency. Let it fail... we will get recurrent eventually.

How bad is it for the rest of y’all?

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All three compos fixed-wing (Army) took almost 50% flying hour cuts (for two years). Still, the 90s were far more lean with respect to AFTPs, flying hours, etc. The bright side: we drilled for 2-3 days and FLEW the entire time and reservist mechanics worked on aircraft. We didn't sit through EO and SHARP classes for 16 hours over a BA weekend.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:39 PM
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It’s AFRC-wide my friend. All USAFR heavy airframes that I’m aware of are in the same situation. In addition, some locations are allowing the TRs to burn some (not all) TPs for Sep, but instructing the ARTs not not burn any TPs...because they already have a Civ paycheck.

Airline apps are being drafted as we speak as a result.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:56 PM
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Don’t know if it’s still true, but there used to be a perverse incentive to waste money and fuel as the end of a fiscal year approached. Failure to expend every resource would mean that you could afford a cut in your future allocation, and nobody wanted that.
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Old 08-16-2019, 04:26 PM
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Don’t know if it’s still true, but there used to be a perverse incentive to waste money and fuel as the end of a fiscal year approached. Failure to expend every resource would mean that you could afford a cut in your future allocation, and nobody wanted that.
Yeah that's still a thing. I routinely plan to run out of money by mid-July. Then they take money from those who are behind the curve and give it those of us who are better spenders to cover our Q4. Only in the government...
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Yeah that's still a thing. I routinely plan to run out of money by mid-July. Then they take money from those who are behind the curve and give it those of us who are better spenders to cover our Q4. Only in the government...
The neat thing is being assigned to Hickam. Any remaining unobligated funds (usually contracts that couldn’t be finalized) is rolled to bases in the next time zone to the west as the clock approaches midnight. Any they can’t spend (either their own or fallout money from bases to the west of them) is rippled to the next time zone. And so forth. In the USAF, it all ended up at Hickam.

If you had contracts lined up, you could get funds to buy damn near anything at 23:55 on the last day of the FY.

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Old 08-16-2019, 06:19 PM
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The neat thing is being assigned to Hickam. Any remaining unobligated funds (usually contracts that couldn’t be finalized) is rolled to bases in the next time zone to the west as the clock approaches midnight. Any they can’t spend (either their own or fallout money from bases to the west of them) is rippled to the next time zone. And so forth. In the USAF, it all ended up at Hickam.

If you had contracts lined up, you could get funds to buy damn near anything at 23:55 on the last day of the FY.

That's impressive, the navy's not that creative to my knowledge.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:06 PM
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That's impressive, the navy's not that creative to my knowledge.
The SeaBees are. To my CERTAIN knowledge.
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How bad is it for the rest of y’all?
I know it's a different "pot of money," but the ANG increased the number of AFTPs from 48 to 72. This will be the first year I wasn't able to use all my UTAs/AFTPs simply because I don't want to work that much. So one component is flat broke while another hands out extra pay cards...ain't fiscal policy lovely.

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In addition, some locations are allowing the TRs to burn some (not all) TPs for Sep, but instructing the ARTs not not burn any TPs...because they already have a Civ paycheck.

Airline apps are being drafted as we speak as a result.
AFRC: You already have a CIV paycheck, don't burn TPs.
ART: (Applies and gets hired at DAL/FDX/UAL) No, NOW I have a CIV paycheck.

Originally Posted by tomgoodman View Post
Don’t know if it’s still true, but there used to be a perverse incentive to waste money and fuel as the end of a fiscal year approached. Failure to expend every resource would mean that you could afford a cut in your future allocation, and nobody wanted that.
We used to do this. However, we've started turning back unused flying hours and it hasn't had an impact on our next years allocation. Common sense has prevailed in some locations.
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