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Beech Dude 01-18-2022 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Hobbit64 (Post 3355287)
PREACH!!!
If I remember correctly, the Army COS gave the -27's away in exchange for another ground Combat Brigade, that I am sure has since been stood down. Meh!, no longer my problem or fight.
As I type, my retirement paperwork is making its way through the 7 layers of the candy-cane forest.
Due to the bureaucratic delays in processing said freedom packet, I have made it clear that I myself already 'identify' as a retired soul.

Congratulations on making it and thank you for your service.

paulcg77 01-18-2022 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Hobbit64 (Post 3355287)
PREACH!!!
If I remember correctly, the Army COS gave the -27's away in exchange for another ground Combat Brigade, that I am sure has since been stood down. Meh!, no longer my problem or fight.
As I type, my retirement paperwork is making its way through the 7 layers of the candy-cane forest.
Due to the bureaucratic delays in processing said freedom packet, I have made it clear that I myself already 'identify' as a retired soul.

Congrats brother, and TYFYS! I'll be joining you shortly if my next reserve billet isn't at least in my time zone. One of my ex-squadron mates who is retired specifically bids MCO layovers for every Nov 11th so he can get his free bloomin' onion at the airport Outback there - can't wait until that's the highlight of my retiree life! :D

Hobbit64 01-18-2022 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3355347)
Congratulations on making it and thank you for your service.

Thanks!
I will miss the People.

Hobbit64 01-18-2022 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by paulcg77 (Post 3355366)
Congrats brother, and TYFYS! I'll be joining you shortly if my next reserve billet isn't at least in my time zone. One of my ex-squadron mates who is retired specifically bids MCO layovers for every Nov 11th so he can get his free bloomin' onion at the airport Outback there - can't wait until that's the highlight of my retiree life! :D

Thanks! I will have to add this to my repertoire... My airline life centers on my gastronomical and (and if I get a long enough overnight) local brew tour of the US. Free food is even better!

I can't wait until the pronoun people echelons above reality produce the retirement paperwork and their view of my status matches my view of the world.

Rroku 01-19-2022 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by paulcg77 (Post 3354536)
The Army literally treats their pilots like they are ground pounders who also happen to know how to fly.

20 years ago, army aviators could at least wear flight suits. Now even the FW army pilots wear ACU's or whatever they're called now, which is ridiculous...

First part, fact! The Blackhawk minimums are 8 hours a month. But be a technical and tactical expert and highly skilled aviator - just make sure all of your additional duties come first.

Second part, CSM or MAJ Butthurt/Good Idea Fairy (or whoever the f came up with it) got upset that pilots didn't look like everyone else with their flight suits, so we got the A2CU so we can look like everyone else yet have a functional flight suit. However... during any big formations we couldn't wear our A2CUs because they still look different from normal ACUs. Well what was the whole point of going to the A2CU from the one piece flight suit if we still couldn't wear them? Good Idea Fairy struck again.

I know you're an adult (20s, 30s, 40s with many years of adulting) and an officer, but if you want to go somewhere on your own time you need to put in for a pass. Go see the kid straight out of college to get approval for your pass to have a life outside of the Army.

By the way, did you have someone do a personal vehicle inspection for you? I know they're not a qualified mechanic, but they still need to sign this paper saying your vehicle - which you know and they don't - is safe for you to travel in.

The Army went to a 10 year commitment after flight school??

raisins 01-19-2022 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by RustyShacklford (Post 3354845)
From what I understand only two C-17 guys took the "fly only" track deal. They were only offering it to the folks who were at the stay in/get out decision point in their careers anyway, and most had already made up their mind or feared it as just another bait-and-switch trap. They should've offered it to senior captains and junior majors. I know a lot of guys who probably would've jumped right on.

Checks. I know one of the two. He got the commitment and the program dissolved. It took lots of work on his part to explain to AFPC that he was in fact in a different boat than other people, but he got an extended PCS and a follow on to a cockpit. Hopefully he will be as fortunate later on when they try to give him a staff deployment...

hydrostream 01-21-2022 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3355193)
Honestly it was the cut more than the color... might be OK if you have a good personal tailor.

It’s very unforgiving of folks who don’t know how to wear clothes, that’s for sure.

Anyways, I looked at my time in the Army as a service I was doing not a career. I joined to learn to fly and go to war, then move on with my life.

I enjoyed most of my time in the Army but I’m not sure any amount of money would have kept me around.

DirtyPurple 01-21-2022 12:13 PM

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Duffman 01-21-2022 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3354441)
Air Force Strategies Chipping Away at Pilot Shortfall. Ramped-up retention efforts and new training programs are helping, slowly:


https://www.flyingmag.com/air-force-...lot-shortfall/

During COVID, with zero attrition, they were only able to decrease the shortage by 300 pilots? How long have the Majors been hiring? 6 Months? It takes time to leave the military, even without a service commitment. With AA, DAL, and UAL each hiring 200+ a month, I'm betting there are tons of guys who are "still on the books" with the AF even though they're out the door. The AF only produces 1200 pilots a year, or roughly 2 months of legacy hiring numbers. If they really don't see these numbers as a Master Warning, they're dangerously out of touch. They might be on glideslope, but their descent rate is about to be 2000 fpm.

Beech Dude 01-21-2022 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Duffman (Post 3357476)
During COVID, with zero attrition, they were only able to decrease the shortage by 300 pilots? How long have the Majors been hiring? 6 Months? It takes time to leave the military, even without a service commitment. With AA, DAL, and UAL each hiring 200+ a month, I'm betting there are tons of guys who are "still on the books" with the AF even though they're out the door. The AF only produces 1200 pilots a year, or roughly 2 months of legacy hiring numbers. If they really don't see these numbers as a Master Warning, they're dangerously out of touch. They might be on glideslope, but their descent rate is about to be 2000 fpm.

Solid point. Too bad they don't let this be a good thing to reset things. We all know staffs at all levels became incredibly bloated during the GWOT years. Get the 11Xs out of them, back to squadrons and flying again. Or actually follow through on guys/gals requests. I know of zero people who have received a single assignment they requested. Guys who are O3s or O4s who are ready to punch when the staff crap shows up may reconsider if they know they'll PCS to another flying tour. But then again, big blue will say one thing, do another, and why wouldn't anyone rather be at AA/UA/DAL?


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