Retired military - when to apply
05-20-2023, 06:37 AM
#11
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Hello. Sir
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Thanks to your ripple effect, I have been able to learn about various situations. Thank you.
Unlike most participants in the forum, I served in the Republic of Korea Air Force for 16 years.
My flight time amounts to approximately 2,600 hours according to ICAO standards.
700 hours were on the F-5 E/F (multi-jet engine), and 1,700 hours were on the T-50, FA-50, and T50IQ (single-jet engine). I also have some flight time on other training aircraft.
Currently, I work as an instructor pilot in Iraq, primarily collaborating with Korea Aerospace Industries, a company affiliated with Lockheed Martin. While there is some concern that working in Iraq may pose difficulties for entering the United States, once my two-year contract in Iraq is completed, I would like to work for an airline or cargo carrier such as an airfreight company in the United States.
Based on what I have seen in the forums, it seems that there are certain preferences for military pilots when it comes to job opportunities. I'm curious if these preferences also apply to military personnel from allied countries.
According to the hiring criteria, a minimum of 1,500 hours of flight time is required.
I wonder if my 3,000 hours of experience on combat aircraft would be beneficial when I apply.(2025. Feb after)
Regarding permanent residency, my wife is a former nurse in the Korean Army, and we plan to apply for a green card through her. So, there shouldn't be any issues with obtaining permanent residency. Please understand that this question assumes there won't be any problems with the green card application through my wife.
Thanks to your ripple effect, I have been able to learn about various situations. Thank you.
Unlike most participants in the forum, I served in the Republic of Korea Air Force for 16 years.
My flight time amounts to approximately 2,600 hours according to ICAO standards.
700 hours were on the F-5 E/F (multi-jet engine), and 1,700 hours were on the T-50, FA-50, and T50IQ (single-jet engine). I also have some flight time on other training aircraft.
Currently, I work as an instructor pilot in Iraq, primarily collaborating with Korea Aerospace Industries, a company affiliated with Lockheed Martin. While there is some concern that working in Iraq may pose difficulties for entering the United States, once my two-year contract in Iraq is completed, I would like to work for an airline or cargo carrier such as an airfreight company in the United States.
Based on what I have seen in the forums, it seems that there are certain preferences for military pilots when it comes to job opportunities. I'm curious if these preferences also apply to military personnel from allied countries.
According to the hiring criteria, a minimum of 1,500 hours of flight time is required.
I wonder if my 3,000 hours of experience on combat aircraft would be beneficial when I apply.(2025. Feb after)
Regarding permanent residency, my wife is a former nurse in the Korean Army, and we plan to apply for a green card through her. So, there shouldn't be any issues with obtaining permanent residency. Please understand that this question assumes there won't be any problems with the green card application through my wife.
05-21-2023, 01:24 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 747 Captain (Ret,)
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Before I retired I flew with many military pilots from allied countries'. The lone Iraqi and the lone Iranian pilots had trouble getting work permits, but they managed. The lone Turkish pilot Captained a flight to London with his family, walked off the flight and bought tickets to New York for his family.
I don't think you will have any trouble getting hired once you have a green card.
Joe
I don't think you will have any trouble getting hired once you have a green card.
Joe
Last edited by joepilot; 05-21-2023 at 01:25 AM. Reason: clarification
05-21-2023, 06:28 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
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Yes, military flight time in a US allied air force, using US or similar equipment and doctrine should be well accepted by most US airlines.
Of course you'll need a US ATP.
Or if you're willing to work at a regional airline, or possibly a LCC major, you could get hired with a US CPL and they will provide ATP training.
Of course you'll need a US ATP.
Or if you're willing to work at a regional airline, or possibly a LCC major, you could get hired with a US CPL and they will provide ATP training.
07-20-2023, 08:22 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by Adilkamal
Looking to join the military? Follow these steps for thewalkinjobs:
Research branches & roles.
Meet eligibility criteria.
Contact recruiters.
Take ASVAB & medical exams.
Obtain legal clearances.
Choose an MOS.
Prepare for physical fitness tests.
Submit application.
Attend MEPS.
Complete basic training.
Serve with dedication. #militarycareers
Research branches & roles.
Meet eligibility criteria.
Contact recruiters.
Take ASVAB & medical exams.
Obtain legal clearances.
Choose an MOS.
Prepare for physical fitness tests.
Submit application.
Attend MEPS.
Complete basic training.
Serve with dedication. #militarycareers
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07-27-2023, 03:22 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Jan 2021
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by Russell Case
Delta-apply 24 months from your planned terminal date if you’re retiring, or 12 months from when you’re getting out. Find a buddy who paid money years ago for a Delta App Review. Look at how he worded stuff, and just “do that.” No need to spend the money. Or search the forums, or post the question, I’ll answer it.
United-I think they’re still at 12 months across the board. So I would apply around 14 months out and expect a call around the 12 month mark or closer to retiring/EASing. While you’ve still got a jet or the equivalent and the ability to XC, get one of your buddies who flies for UA to arrange a Chief Pilot sit-down. Fly out and do it; they’ll know how to schedule it.
American-I think they’re still 12 months so copy United’s recommendation.
SWA-contrary to what I’ve heard about military guys getting interviews at 14-16 months from getting out, I literally spoke, on the phone, to the head of HR. Long story as to why but when you have an interview, you HAVE to be 12 months or less from terminal or EASing or the CJO expires and they won’t be thrilled. But keep in mind, unlike Delta who gives you 7 days after emailing you to take the online assessment, and if you pass, they then send you a link with available classes for your application month. The furthest interview date from that is about 7-8 weeks, so you could do the math somewhat and back-up your timeline. SWA gives you 60 days from the day they offer you an interview to SCHEDULE the interview, and every week you wait those interview dates available can be further and further out. SO, you could apply at about 14 and easily have one within 12 months of retiring.
UPS-know someone, not hiring. FedEx-know someone, not hiring.
As for attending conventions, paying money for people to see you, if you have “substantial” military time and you have internal LORs from your 20+ of aviating, save your money. You’ve paid your dues, and if you’re organized and can apply in the above timelines, you’ll have a job. I just don’t think you need to waste money to be recognized; if you’re low time low quals maybe, but if you’re retiring after 20, skip it skip it. Your resume likely speaks volumes and, while I can only my speak from personal experience, you’ll have no problem getting an interview. Invest in yourself with some interview prep, ANY prep, and you’ll be right where you need to be.
United-I think they’re still at 12 months across the board. So I would apply around 14 months out and expect a call around the 12 month mark or closer to retiring/EASing. While you’ve still got a jet or the equivalent and the ability to XC, get one of your buddies who flies for UA to arrange a Chief Pilot sit-down. Fly out and do it; they’ll know how to schedule it.
American-I think they’re still 12 months so copy United’s recommendation.
SWA-contrary to what I’ve heard about military guys getting interviews at 14-16 months from getting out, I literally spoke, on the phone, to the head of HR. Long story as to why but when you have an interview, you HAVE to be 12 months or less from terminal or EASing or the CJO expires and they won’t be thrilled. But keep in mind, unlike Delta who gives you 7 days after emailing you to take the online assessment, and if you pass, they then send you a link with available classes for your application month. The furthest interview date from that is about 7-8 weeks, so you could do the math somewhat and back-up your timeline. SWA gives you 60 days from the day they offer you an interview to SCHEDULE the interview, and every week you wait those interview dates available can be further and further out. SO, you could apply at about 14 and easily have one within 12 months of retiring.
UPS-know someone, not hiring. FedEx-know someone, not hiring.
As for attending conventions, paying money for people to see you, if you have “substantial” military time and you have internal LORs from your 20+ of aviating, save your money. You’ve paid your dues, and if you’re organized and can apply in the above timelines, you’ll have a job. I just don’t think you need to waste money to be recognized; if you’re low time low quals maybe, but if you’re retiring after 20, skip it skip it. Your resume likely speaks volumes and, while I can only my speak from personal experience, you’ll have no problem getting an interview. Invest in yourself with some interview prep, ANY prep, and you’ll be right where you need to be.
100% correct. A year out is a good time to get your stuff in a sock for everyone, a bit earlier for Delta with their new 2 year rule...and the cargo big boys are out for a while. Personally, I applied to American in January with a 31 July availability. Interviewed and got the CJO in April, class starts 2 August and I don't officially retire until November. Hooray for banking up to take terminal leave!
07-27-2023, 05:46 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,682
Originally Posted by C17KIA
100% correct. A year out is a good time to get your stuff in a sock for everyone, a bit earlier for Delta with their new 2 year rule...and the cargo big boys are out for a while. Personally, I applied to American in January with a 31 July availability. Interviewed and got the CJO in April, class starts 2 August and I don't officially retire until November. Hooray for banking up to take terminal leave!
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