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Old 03-13-2026 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Midair?

Might one have been tanking the other?

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Reports of ADSB of it seem to indicate an opposite direction midair.
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Old 03-15-2026 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
I was on an ANG KC-135 once that was refueling and got underrun by a fast mover. Their breakaway maneuver was power and climb. I can almost picture a KC-135 receiver aircraft hearing a breakaway call and just doing the same thing reflexively from habit intrusion. Especially since even the KC-135 guys who do have the capability to be refueled in flight have generally done tons more of refueling other aircraft than getting refueled themselves. Couple that with a lot of time zone changes and the sort of workload and fatigue you get in wartime and I could see that happening.

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There is no part of the breakaway maneuver that calls for the tanker to climb. They accelerate, and the receiver goes to idle, and descends to the bottom of the block. So there should be no muscle memory to pull up.
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Old 03-15-2026 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Reports of ADSB of it seem to indicate an opposite direction midair.
tragic, and I pray the crew rest in peace. Tanker tracks are dangerous for sure… complacency (bid sky theory) while in the track and/or hand-flying as the tanker can exacerbate the risks IMO… and this not including the entry/exit before/after refueling. Not sure if they were lights out (I’m guessing they were) that just adds to the problem.
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Old 03-17-2026 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
tragic, and I pray the crew rest in peace. Tanker tracks are dangerous for sure… complacency (bid sky theory) while in the track and/or hand-flying as the tanker can exacerbate the risks IMO… and this not including the entry/exit before/after refueling. Not sure if they were lights out (I’m guessing they were) that just adds to the problem.
I’ve flown both the receiver side and tanker side in the 135. It’s unlikely the receiver performed the wrong actions as receiver during a breakaway and flying AAR autopilot off generally resulted in a more stable platform than autopilot on. The most likely scenario is a fatigued receiver crew (when this capability is used operationally it tends to result in very long and busy duty days) tried to expedite the refuel and came in way too hot for the contact, under ran the tanker and struck the tanker with their vertical stabilizer. A B-1 did this to a tanker almost 40 years ago and the tanker crew was lucky to be able to land the jet.

All of the above is pure speculation. Could they have gone beak to beak in an EMCON environment that made things more challenging? Maybe, but somehow Kosovo happened with no midairs. My bet is the USAF decided to utilize an under resourced and under manned capability more heavily than they should have. Six Airmen are dead as a result.
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