Osprey Time
#11
The fact is that PL combines the goods and bads of both FW and RW. Either way, it's a transport category aircraft that reacts like an airplane while in cruise and it's total time.
Since I know some fling wing guys that have gotten on at airlines with minimal fixed wing experience, I don't imagine that PL time would necessarily be "less qualifying" as FW time, provided that you meet the same restrictions that RW pilots must meet. Since there are very few pilots flying PL in the grand scheme of things, I don't imagine that very many airlines have to deal with PL applicants very often.
I can't imagine a regional turning down a PL applicant that has 2000TT and 1700PL when they are hiring 600 TT folks.
Since I know some fling wing guys that have gotten on at airlines with minimal fixed wing experience, I don't imagine that PL time would necessarily be "less qualifying" as FW time, provided that you meet the same restrictions that RW pilots must meet. Since there are very few pilots flying PL in the grand scheme of things, I don't imagine that very many airlines have to deal with PL applicants very often.
I can't imagine a regional turning down a PL applicant that has 2000TT and 1700PL when they are hiring 600 TT folks.
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From: HMMWV in Iraq
That's correct, but if you ask an average Harrier pilot what percentage of his landings are at the boat versus land based, the answer would probably be somewhere on the order of 20% or less. Most guys complain that when they are on the boat they only fly about every 13 days to stay current because it is such a pain to move the helo's out of the way for them to fly on a more regular basis than that. The majority of their flight time will occur stateside or once they are at a forward deployed location.
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
I'm not a Harrier guy, but the implication of this thread is that PL isn't the same as FW which would seem like a negative connotation in regard to what the airlines are looking for. Seems like most AV-8's I've seen take-off or land do a conventional FW take-off or landing. Although capable of vertical lift, they rarely actually do it.
#16
This from Wikipedia:
Hopefully they have enough altitude to do that since it takes 12-15 seconds to transition the nacelles...
The aircraft is incapable of autorotation in the case of engine failure, fact that led a director of the Pentagon's testing office in 2005 to say that if the Osprey loses power while flying like a helicopter below 1,600 feet (490 m) emergency landings "are not likely to be survivable." But Captain Justin (Moon) McKinney, a V-22 pilot, says that this will not be a problem, "We can turn it into a plane and glide it down, just like a C-130".
#18
I believe it is. However if you've lost an engine, I don't think that you're too concerned with ground clearance any more...

I'd be curious to know if it could continue single engine flight (in airplane mode) for an extended period of time (such as if you lost one over hostile territory.) Seems like the yaw with such a large "prop" out there would be difficult to over come, but it does have two rudders.
#19
Apparently Bell advertises that losing AN engine isn't that big a deal - there's an interconnect between the two engines so one engine can drive both rotors..
As far as gliding - maybe it and an MU-2 could compete..
As far as gliding - maybe it and an MU-2 could compete..
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
In the event of a total power loss in cruise flight, the thing can glide to a rough crash-landing...the props are composite and designed so as to not fragment on impact. A total power loss in hover flight would be fatal at low altitudes, but if you have a few thousand feet you can transition to a glide.
Personally I think the low-altitude total power loss risk is being blown out of proportion by the media...the engines are nowhere near each other, and if BOTH of them got shot up, there would probably be other damage that would render the thing non-flyable anyway. They aren't complaining about what would happen if you shot off both rotorheads on a Chinook (or any other helo)
. I don't know why the media expects this particular aircraft to be crash-proof...it would be the first and only one ever!The thing is very expensive though...I sure hope the USMC can leverage it's capabilities enough to offset the additional cost relative to buying a bunch of conventional helos.
But I do know for a fact the SOCOM will get our money's worth out of the capabilities...as long as reliability is good.
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