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Old 02-11-2006, 08:53 PM   #1  
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Here's a question about how you logged some of your flight time when you were getting your instrument/commercial ratings etc. Let's assume you got your Private in a C-172. Then say you did your Instrument and Commercial training in a C-172 as well. How did you log your flight time while working on your Instrument and Commercial license? Did you log it as both PIC and dual received? That's how I did it.

The reason I ask is because I am filling out an airline application and they have the following columns on the flight time grid: PIC/INSTRUCTOR/SIC/DUAL. Instructor and PIC columns are obvious but would you add your flight time from the above scenario in both the PIC and DUAL columns if you were filling out this application?

Some people argue that PIC+INSTRUCTOR+SIC+DUAL should equal TOTAL TIME. Others argue that it is legit to log flights as both PIC and Dual at the same time. Here's the dilemma...if I can log it as both, there are some better airline jobs I can apply for today. If not, I will have to wait 3-4 months before I meet the "PIC" minimums.

What has been your experience with how most companies (both Regional and Major) want this information filled out?
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Here's a question about how you logged some of your flight time when you were getting your instrument/commercial ratings etc. Let's assume you got your Private in a C-172. Then say you did your Instrument and Commercial training in a C-172 as well. How did you log your flight time while working on your Instrument and Commercial license? Did you log it as both PIC and dual received? That's how I did it.

The reason I ask is because I am filling out an airline application and they have the following columns on the flight time grid: PIC/INSTRUCTOR/SIC/DUAL. Instructor and PIC columns are obvious but would you add your flight time from the above scenario in both the PIC and DUAL columns if you were filling out this application?

Some people argue that PIC+INSTRUCTOR+SIC+DUAL should equal TOTAL TIME. Others argue that it is legit to log flights as both PIC and Dual at the same time. Here's the dilemma...if I can log it as both, there are some better airline jobs I can apply for today. If not, I will have to wait 3-4 months before I meet the "PIC" minimums.

What has been your experience with how most companies (both Regional and Major) want this information filled out?
It is clearly legal and normal to log PIC while receiving dual if you are rated in the aircraft. If you have at least a private in that type a/c, it's PIC. So instrument and commercial training can normally be logged as both PIC and dual received. Student pilot time is PIC only when you are soloing.
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Rick is right. As long as you are rated in the aircraft you can log PIC and dual, if the instructor logged dual and signed you book. even 2 instructors can get away with this if 1 signs the others book for some kind of instruction. How do you think instructors get bianuals? However as long as a type wasn't required to log PIC and you have an instructor's signature it is legal.

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Yeah its under part 61 if you want to look it up. Id tell you the number but I dont want to look it up.
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It is legal. However, some airlines have a formula that doesn't allow you to do that on applications. Like the grid you fill out for CAL. If you use both, the final numbers do not ADD UP RIGHT.
So you'd have to see which way the airline adds the times.
That's kinda like the PIC question. I am typed in the airbus, but I fly as an FO.
So do I log it as PIC, or SIC? I personnaly log it as SIC, 'cause that's what I am. I DID NOT sign for the AC, or the release, so I am not the PIC. I know others who log it as PIC to build up that time. But if you look at jetBlue, and I think MOST, they want the time you signed for the AC.
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Hey Happy, have you finished the CAL app yet? Just curious what your times are.
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Hey Happy, have you finished the CAL app yet? Just curious what your times are.
I have not submitted my CAL application yet. I recently upgraded and that is why I asked this question. I have roughly 700 hours of "legit" PIC time but if I have to subtract out my "Dual PIC" time then I don't yet meet CAL's PIC minimums. Clear as mud right?
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