Military Pilot needs help!
02-24-2008 | 10:40 AM
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Obscure? Ok......name a scientist that would not fit in this description...according your definition. Is Stephen Hawking obscure?
And the fact that you put scientist in quotations...indicates your distaste (or lack of respect) for them....so what makes a scientist a scientist? Education, experience, experimentation in an controlled and uncontrolled environment, years of research? Would you put the scientist and engineers who developed.....let's say for example...maybe stealth technology...in "quotations"...or would you respect them for keeping your billion+ dollar jet semi-invisible? I would say the B2 is an example of science and technology coming together to make a "unique" airplane to say the least.
Also, your "personal" experience does substitute or throw out reams of data taken over the course of years and countless hours of study and research. There will always be "exceptions" to any study...and you more than likely know that...maybe not.
Just because YOUR personal experience says otherwise does not mean everyone will enjoy the same level of achievement in defeating the effects of a constant assault on circadian rhythms. If someone were to approach you and say "I smoke crack everyday and feel zero effects from it so you should be cool too.." would you start smoking crack? I mean research says its bad for you but what do those people know. They are just "scientist" after all.
As for my cargo experience relative to UPS, we flew freight (maybe before you were there) for UPS and worked the same hours. It was tough... We also had plenty of rest...it was still tough.
Enjoy the job...UPS is a great company.
And the fact that you put scientist in quotations...indicates your distaste (or lack of respect) for them....so what makes a scientist a scientist? Education, experience, experimentation in an controlled and uncontrolled environment, years of research? Would you put the scientist and engineers who developed.....let's say for example...maybe stealth technology...in "quotations"...or would you respect them for keeping your billion+ dollar jet semi-invisible? I would say the B2 is an example of science and technology coming together to make a "unique" airplane to say the least.
Also, your "personal" experience does substitute or throw out reams of data taken over the course of years and countless hours of study and research. There will always be "exceptions" to any study...and you more than likely know that...maybe not.
Just because YOUR personal experience says otherwise does not mean everyone will enjoy the same level of achievement in defeating the effects of a constant assault on circadian rhythms. If someone were to approach you and say "I smoke crack everyday and feel zero effects from it so you should be cool too.." would you start smoking crack? I mean research says its bad for you but what do those people know. They are just "scientist" after all.
As for my cargo experience relative to UPS, we flew freight (maybe before you were there) for UPS and worked the same hours. It was tough... We also had plenty of rest...it was still tough.
Enjoy the job...UPS is a great company.
I just see a lot of folks throw out the generic "study" or the "scientist" without any links to a real study or real data. (...and the latest Wikipedia entry doesn't count).
No worries though bud...like I said, each to his own.
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02-24-2008 | 11:54 AM
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Log out of this website and use google.....you will find plenty of information from "scientist" or other people not nearly as smart.
Make sure you have some time.....be well rested and read during the day...you retain more.
Make sure you have some time.....be well rested and read during the day...you retain more.
02-24-2008 | 12:49 PM
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From: Kickin it "C"old School in AK
In Fact, It IS Greener On This Side
letsfly,
No matter what you hear on this board about who has a crappy airline schedule, flying at ANY airline job is going to be about 10 times easier on you and your body and your family than it was on the C-17 active duty. My last 4.5 years AD were at CHS, and I know the pain. No 26-hour crew duty days waived to 31-hours followed by 17 hours (if you're lucky) off then another. I wish I had left AD sooner--the AD C-17 is what made me look 10-15 years older than what I really am. Your going to like it on the other side no matter how much you get paid, how much you work at night, and how many turns you do in a day.
No matter what you hear on this board about who has a crappy airline schedule, flying at ANY airline job is going to be about 10 times easier on you and your body and your family than it was on the C-17 active duty. My last 4.5 years AD were at CHS, and I know the pain. No 26-hour crew duty days waived to 31-hours followed by 17 hours (if you're lucky) off then another. I wish I had left AD sooner--the AD C-17 is what made me look 10-15 years older than what I really am. Your going to like it on the other side no matter how much you get paid, how much you work at night, and how many turns you do in a day.
Probably because like any job, if you get proper rest it's not a factor. You're also not getting blasted by doing the multiple turns that the guys at Southwest do. When I interviewed at Southwest, all the friends I had working there looked about 10-15 years older than they should've...simply ragged/worn out appearance. No thanks to that kind of lifesyle.
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02-24-2008 | 02:11 PM
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From: B-767
It doesn't matter, Solar or Lunar radiation, day vs night, intl. or flying out of EWR everyday, it's all killing you. Go get your ATP, either in a 737 or weekend crash course in a seminole (good for a lifetime). You might want to hold off on the FE written until you're ready to send out apps. (a 2 yr limit on the FEW). A lot depends on hiring windows opening, hopefully in 14 months the dust will start to settle on this age 65 thing, and that most airlines will be hiring again. Things will be slow in 2008 in Mem, probably at UPS and SWA too.
02-24-2008 | 02:23 PM
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02-24-2008 | 04:13 PM
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From: DA-40
One more thought...as I talk to my buddies at different companies they all say "ya man when you are ready let me know and I'll get you in." My question is how much pull does a pilot actually have at a company in regards to helping a buddy get an interview? I guess it depends on how long they have been there? Who they know at the company? How would they even go about "helping me".
In my experience, I've gotten guys an interview pretty quickly. (ie a few months)..... and when I was interviewing, all the places that a buddy helped me--I got called pretty quickly. At places I didn't have a buddy, I was either called later or not called at all. (Hope this helps).
02-24-2008 | 04:18 PM
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From: DA-40
letsfly,
No matter what you hear on this board about who has a crappy airline schedule, flying at ANY airline job is going to be about 10 times easier on you and your body and your family than it was on the C-17 active duty. My last 4.5 years AD were at CHS, and I know the pain. No 26-hour crew duty days waived to 31-hours followed by 17 hours (if you're lucky) off then another. I wish I had left AD sooner--the AD C-17 is what made me look 10-15 years older than what I really am. Your going to like it on the other side no matter how much you get paid, how much you work at night, and how many turns you do in a day.
No matter what you hear on this board about who has a crappy airline schedule, flying at ANY airline job is going to be about 10 times easier on you and your body and your family than it was on the C-17 active duty. My last 4.5 years AD were at CHS, and I know the pain. No 26-hour crew duty days waived to 31-hours followed by 17 hours (if you're lucky) off then another. I wish I had left AD sooner--the AD C-17 is what made me look 10-15 years older than what I really am. Your going to like it on the other side no matter how much you get paid, how much you work at night, and how many turns you do in a day.
I second this. No matter what company you end up working for, I've found that it's very much easier on you than military flying ever was---especially lately with the conflicts going on.....
02-25-2008 | 04:25 PM
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Thanks for all the info, with 14 months to go (how's counting) I still have some time. I just got my written done, I'm taking my FE test on Friday and will probably do higher power for my ATP practical in July. Once that is done I will be 10 months out and will start throwing applications and resumes in every direction. Along with getting some help from my buddies I think at least now sitting here I have a pretty good plan. Just hope people are hiring in early '09!
02-25-2008 | 07:11 PM
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Letsfly,
If you're looking to save money, consider getting your 737 type and ATP at Flight Training International. I did a 7 day course (which requires prior home study) for 5 grand, as opposed to about 8 grand at Higher Power. It's a really laid back course, and you end up saving quite a bit of money. Just my 2 cents.
If you're looking to save money, consider getting your 737 type and ATP at Flight Training International. I did a 7 day course (which requires prior home study) for 5 grand, as opposed to about 8 grand at Higher Power. It's a really laid back course, and you end up saving quite a bit of money. Just my 2 cents.
02-25-2008 | 11:12 PM
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Sometimes, having frequent legs actually makes the day go by faster. You're always busy and your mind's active and it really isn't that bad at all. The best part is, there is no redeeye flying, besides the charter. It's either AMs or PMs. I would rather fly 6-7 legs during the day than 1 super long red eye.
We do work hard here, but that also means we get alot of time off.
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