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Old 06-18-2008 | 10:06 AM
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CNBC reports at 1pm.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/bu...l?ref=business
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Old 06-18-2008 | 10:34 AM
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At this rate the AF will get a new tanker by 2050 if they're lucky. I guess it's really up to whose lobbyists have the deepest pockets at this point.
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Old 06-18-2008 | 12:45 PM
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This war is gonna end fast once we lose a 135 crew due to air frame disentigration and they ground the fleet.
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Old 06-18-2008 | 02:08 PM
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The contract should have been awarded several years ago to Boeing after the leasing fiasco of acquiring KC-767 tankers. As always politics, lobbyists and people trying to stuff their pockets with jobs and money prevented the awarding of that contract.

Boeing has already proved that the KC-767 is an effective tanker....Japan and Italy are currently deploying that aircraft. Who knows what kind of product EADS will produce. Airbus has readily admitted that the service life of it's aircraft is around 15 years. The Boeing built KC-135 has been around since the Eisenhower era. The 767 line is still up and running and if the contract is reopened Boeing will provide the USAF with a more effective tanker.
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Old 06-18-2008 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by faipsrule
This war is gonna end fast once we lose a 135 crew due to air frame disentigration and they ground the fleet.

No offense dude, but until 135s start refueling Blackhawks, that's quite an overstatement.


NOT that I want a 135 to come apart, though. I know you guys work hard.
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Old 06-18-2008 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SEGATAKI
The contract should have been awarded several years ago to Boeing after the leasing fiasco of acquiring KC-767 tankers. As always politics, lobbyists and people trying to stuff their pockets with jobs and money prevented the awarding of that contract.

Boeing has already proved that the KC-767 is an effective tanker....Japan and Italy are currently deploying that aircraft. Who knows what kind of product EADS will produce. Airbus has readily admitted that the service life of it's aircraft is around 15 years. The Boeing built KC-135 has been around since the Eisenhower era. The 767 line is still up and running and if the contract is reopened Boeing will provide the USAF with a more effective tanker.
Boeing screwed up (I'd use the f bomb if it was permitted here) by rigging the original lease deal...boeing and federal employees went to jail, remember?

I think they lost their high ground and entitlement to the contract at that point. I'm not wild about airbus getting all the work, but if it convinces boeing that they can't get away with cheating it might be worth it in the long term.
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Old 06-18-2008 | 03:46 PM
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"No offense dude, but until 135s start refueling Blackhawks, that's quite an overstatement."

No, but they do enhance the capabilities of F-15s, F-16s, F-117s, B-1s, B-2s, B-52s, RC-135s, AWACS, JSTARS, C-130s (non-slick), F-14s, F-18s, EA-6s, GR-4s, Jaguars, VC-10s, C-17s, C-5s, and KC-10s. Nothing against Blackhawks (you guys get a front row seat to the war) but tankers touch a big part of the air war.
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Old 06-18-2008 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyFastLiveSlow
"No offense dude, but until 135s start refueling Blackhawks, that's quite an overstatement."

No, but they do enhance the capabilities of F-15s, F-16s, F-117s, B-1s, B-2s, B-52s, RC-135s, AWACS, JSTARS, C-130s (non-slick), F-14s, F-18s, EA-6s, GR-4s, Jaguars, VC-10s, C-17s, C-5s, and KC-10s.
There ain't a single Stinkbug that benefits from the tanker toads anymore; that airframe was retired from the USAF inventory.

Besides, the -10 fills in just fine.

Tho I agree, the government should buy American whenever possible. EADS gets enough subsidies from the euro governments, it shouldn't get any from ours.
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Old 06-18-2008 | 05:31 PM
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I wonder how much of the Air Force's mistakes on this latest round of bidding, contributed to the departure of the top two last week? I wonder if once the facts started to come out, inside the Pentagon, that might have been the straw that broke the camels back? It will be interesting to read the full detailed report from the GAO.

Anyone know if it's on the web yet? I couldn't find it. (Did not look that hard, either)

I think this whole tanker fiasco should be under that other thread in this forum of "Air Force Waste"!

I can hear EADS now...."Merde! Merde! Merde!"
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Old 06-18-2008 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DustoffVT
No offense dude, but until 135s start refueling Blackhawks, that's quite an overstatement.


NOT that I want a 135 to come apart, though. I know you guys work hard.
Beat me to it...the Marine KC-130s can take care of our own jets...thank you very much!
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