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Old 12-18-2008 | 11:53 PM
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Is it possible to go from a warrant officer in army aviation (in a guard/reserve unit) to an officer in the air force aviation (guard/reserve unit)?

If it’s possible, what kind of training is involved and how is rank handled if one has been a warrant officer for a while?
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Old 12-19-2008 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cargo hopeful
Is it possible to go from a warrant officer in army aviation (in a guard/reserve unit) to an officer in the air force aviation (guard/reserve unit)?

If it’s possible, what kind of training is involved and how is rank handled if one has been a warrant officer for a while?
Yes, it can definitely be done. I've seen it done at least three times. I'm reasonably certain your WO time would just be like enlisted time in service for pay purposes.
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Old 12-19-2008 | 09:36 AM
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Generally the services will always release a member from his current obligation in order to obtain a commission, even in another service. To do otherwise would be very short-sighted. It's possible that a few ultra-high-demand critical specialities might not be allowed to go, but I'n not even sure they can do that.
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Old 12-19-2008 | 05:55 PM
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The Guard, either National or Air, operates under different rules than the regular services. Even in the regular services you can go from Enlisted or Warrant to Officer. All you need are the qualifications and acceptance into a program. Needs of the service and all. The Regular services all require a four year degree. Not sure about the Guard, but I expect that part is the same.
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Old 12-20-2008 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cargo hopeful
Is it possible to go from a warrant officer in army aviation (in a guard/reserve unit) to an officer in the air force aviation (guard/reserve unit)?

If it’s possible, what kind of training is involved and how is rank handled if one has been a warrant officer for a while?
It's done all the time. However, don't forget that the pay difference from a commissioned warrant officer to a commissioned officer (O-1) may be lower depending on how may years you have in service. There was a program called "save pay" if I remember that will at least guarantee you won't take a pay cut initially. There is also a separate pay scale for commissioned officers that have formally been enlisted or warrant officers. Just be sure you "know before you go."
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Old 12-20-2008 | 03:05 PM
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anybody familiar with the requirements of a helicopter pilot on a police force
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Old 12-20-2008 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by normajean21
anybody familiar with the requirements of a helicopter pilot on a police force
Usually you need to serve as a regular cop for at least 3 years first...they usually want the pilots to know what it's like in the ground.

But that's just the minimum...usually flight departments are small and jobs are filled via the good-old-boy network. I'd expect to spend 5-20 years on the ground trying to get into flight. You may also need to pay for helicopter training first. Often a PPL will be enough, and then they train you to commercial standards. The good news is that the flight hour requirements are usually low.

The few departments which might hire pilots off the street are probably going to take military helo pilots...there are a lot of those guys out there.

If you have some significant time, look into customs/border protection...they hire experienced pilots without any LE background. A couple years at a regional should meet their mins. You can eventually fly BOTH fixed-wing jets and blackhawk helos. Fun-factor is off the scale.
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Old 12-20-2008 | 06:58 PM
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"If you have some significant time, look into customs/border protection...they hire experienced pilots without any LE background. A couple years at a regional should meet their mins. You can eventually fly BOTH fixed-wing jets and blackhawk helos. Fun-factor is off the scale."

There is a good on the CBP over in the military forum - check it out if interested. It is very competitive right now as are most positions and although they may have had a history of hiring certain types in the past - it seems to take some military or LE experience currently to score high enough to be considered. I'm sure there are exceptions - but that is the current trend it seems.

Now.....back to WO/CWO to Commissioned Officer programs - pros and cons.

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Old 12-21-2008 | 01:10 AM
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i dont have any time in rotorcraft. but since my backup to being a pilot will be to go through the police academy. i imagine doing part time work for 5 to 10 years could pay off knowing the right person at the right time to get a slot about how far in the hole will the training cost me with zero time to commercial
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Old 12-21-2008 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by normajean21
i dont have any time in rotorcraft. but since my backup to being a pilot will be to go through the police academy. i imagine doing part time work for 5 to 10 years could pay off knowing the right person at the right time to get a slot about how far in the hole will the training cost me with zero time to commercial
45k according to How Much Does it Cost to Learn to Fly Helicopters?, Helicopter Instruction, Darren Smith, Flight Instructor,. still trying to find the connection to warrant/commissioned officers that the OP was asking about.
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