Reserve Passed Over Major
11-11-2009, 10:01 PM
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Reserve Passed Over Major
I have a question out there for you guys:
If you are in the reserves and are passed over twice for LtCol, when has been the traditional separation date? I have heard of a guy that was up for his initial board at year 16, second board at year 17, had all the points for a good 18th year, but was given a separation date prior to his R/R Date, so he had to get out (no continuance). Is this normal, do 17 3/4 yrs and then shown to the door? Just seeing what you guys think, and no it was not me. Thanks
If you are in the reserves and are passed over twice for LtCol, when has been the traditional separation date? I have heard of a guy that was up for his initial board at year 16, second board at year 17, had all the points for a good 18th year, but was given a separation date prior to his R/R Date, so he had to get out (no continuance). Is this normal, do 17 3/4 yrs and then shown to the door? Just seeing what you guys think, and no it was not me. Thanks
11-12-2009, 06:33 AM
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Mandatory Separation Dates
Furious Fueler:
I believe:
1. You can continue to meet boards, ad infinitum (I thought I had met my last O-6 board a couple of years ago, but it turns out I keep meeting them until I retire).
2. When passed-over twice, your unit can keep you on if AFRC keeps you in "Selective Continuation." Since Tanker Guys are generally in short supply (I think), you should be continued.
3. Mandatory Separation Date (MSD) for Majors is 24 years, I believe. That's 24 years from commisioning.
I believe:
1. You can continue to meet boards, ad infinitum (I thought I had met my last O-6 board a couple of years ago, but it turns out I keep meeting them until I retire).
2. When passed-over twice, your unit can keep you on if AFRC keeps you in "Selective Continuation." Since Tanker Guys are generally in short supply (I think), you should be continued.
3. Mandatory Separation Date (MSD) for Majors is 24 years, I believe. That's 24 years from commisioning.
11-12-2009, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by angry tanker
I have a question out there for you guys:
If you are in the reserves and are passed over twice for LtCol, when has been the traditional separation date? I have heard of a guy that was up for his initial board at year 16, second board at year 17, had all the points for a good 18th year, but was given a separation date prior to his R/R Date, so he had to get out (no continuance). Is this normal, do 17 3/4 yrs and then shown to the door? Just seeing what you guys think, and no it was not me. Thanks
If you are in the reserves and are passed over twice for LtCol, when has been the traditional separation date? I have heard of a guy that was up for his initial board at year 16, second board at year 17, had all the points for a good 18th year, but was given a separation date prior to his R/R Date, so he had to get out (no continuance). Is this normal, do 17 3/4 yrs and then shown to the door? Just seeing what you guys think, and no it was not me. Thanks
The takeaway advice is this: if you are looking to finish up your 20 years you need to be aware of your good years and your RR date. If you won't meet the second LTC board prior to 18 years then you can relax--you'll have sanctuary. If you will meet that second board, you have to do what it takes to get promoted or they will let you go.
Call AFPC.
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11-12-2009, 07:46 AM
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Technically you can be HYT-ed out if you do not have any prior service and do not make O-5 (after two looks?) .
But the reality in pretty much all branches was that they will continue you out to 20 years. In the navy it is automatic, but I have heard of the air force having a requirement that you actually APPLY for continuation. Forget to do that and you're out.
Also if you make it to 18, you are in sanctuary and they have to allow you to finish (DoD requirement I think).
But I have heard of guard and reserves occasionally having really strange policies...you might want to research it if your concern is other than idle curiosity.
But the reality in pretty much all branches was that they will continue you out to 20 years. In the navy it is automatic, but I have heard of the air force having a requirement that you actually APPLY for continuation. Forget to do that and you're out.
Also if you make it to 18, you are in sanctuary and they have to allow you to finish (DoD requirement I think).
But I have heard of guard and reserves occasionally having really strange policies...you might want to research it if your concern is other than idle curiosity.
11-15-2009, 12:41 PM
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I can't think of a time that I've ever seen that happen in my 22 years in either the AD or the Reserve for not making 0-5. I couldn't quote you any regulations, but I do know that we have a lot of guys hanging around who never made 0-5.
I've seen almost every guy who didn't make 0-4 even get continued to 20 years.
In the mid 90's I remember some guys who didn't make 0-4 got separated but they wanted to be let go early (intentionally didn't do PME or wrote a letter to the promotion board asking to not be promoted). Didn't have to repay their bonus and the airlines were hiring big at the time. The funny thing about that is I can name at least two who are furloughed from United who are back in the USAFR as AGR's and both of them made 0-5 in the Reserve.
I've seen almost every guy who didn't make 0-4 even get continued to 20 years.
In the mid 90's I remember some guys who didn't make 0-4 got separated but they wanted to be let go early (intentionally didn't do PME or wrote a letter to the promotion board asking to not be promoted). Didn't have to repay their bonus and the airlines were hiring big at the time. The funny thing about that is I can name at least two who are furloughed from United who are back in the USAFR as AGR's and both of them made 0-5 in the Reserve.
11-15-2009, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
...., but I have heard of the air force having a requirement that you actually APPLY for continuation. Forget to do that and you're out.
This year they offered pilots to 20 or 24 years.
You're right though, if you don't get round to signing it, you're a civilian pretty quick.
11-16-2009, 06:46 AM
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Things get even more confusing when you consider ADSCs for the bonus; particularly guys who took the "to 20" and "to 25" when it was available. I was one of the "to 20" bonus takers. I got passed over, and every year I meet my board they generate the paperwork for continuation since I have signed the "to 20 yrs" continuation, not the one to 24. They keep giving me the chance for the latter.
I want to get out at 20, my ADSC takes me to 21. by signing to 20 that trumps my ADSC with a separation date at 20. I pay back any unused bonus. Were I to sign to 24, I would be force to stay in until 21 yrs, 3 mos, which I no longer wish to do.
I want to get out at 20, my ADSC takes me to 21. by signing to 20 that trumps my ADSC with a separation date at 20. I pay back any unused bonus. Were I to sign to 24, I would be force to stay in until 21 yrs, 3 mos, which I no longer wish to do.
11-16-2009, 09:50 AM
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Yeah I'd say you made a good call. This was the first time in a while they offered guys in my world to 24. I plan on getting out at 20, but didn't want to close the door, who knows how much worse economy can get? I liked having option of staying. Looked for a down side of signing to 24, couldn't find one in my case. Worst possibility I can think of, at some point while camping out at next job they hit me with remote/365, and I 3 day opt and end up retiring with less notice than I'd like. I don't have any other commitments/ ADSCs I can think of that'll hem me in.
11-16-2009, 06:19 PM
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Not to totally hijack this thread (since I am AD and this was about a reserve issue--sorry); but yeah to sputnik, my situation is unique, I'm using the legal black-and-white of the options offered in the continuation to my advantage in this case. If I didn't have the ADSC it would make sense to have taken the continuation to 24. If they knew there were people like me who would rather give back one year-ish worth of bonus in order to make sure we can get out at 20, by using the continue to 20 versus 24 as a tool, then they'd find someway to screw me and force me to take a continuation to 21+ coincident with my ADSC. But I think what happens is that at some point the system starts running into congressionally mandated limits on "indentured servitude" when they are no longer willing to promote you.
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