Logging PIC Turbine as T-37 Stud
01-31-2011 | 08:28 AM
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I was merely referring to how I logged it. You're right though, the 15 or 20 hours of T-34/T-45 solo time isn't worth having to answer for. Especially as it's pretty much transparent to the end numbers.
01-31-2011 | 03:56 PM
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FARs vs USAF
The FARs (I think) allow you to do it...but your Air Force flight records record the solo time as "Student Time," not "PIC." Of course, the FARs (ne, 14 CFR) also state that "...all turbojet aircraft require a type-rating...," but somehow, I never got one for the F-4 or T-38.
I had the same dilemma back in the day, when I was filling out airline apps. I took a VERY conservative approach, and didn't log my solo Cessna time for my Private, nor any of my solo UPT time, as PIC. I called it "other."
I figured under-stating my hours actually over-stated it to the HR and interview captain.
I had the same dilemma back in the day, when I was filling out airline apps. I took a VERY conservative approach, and didn't log my solo Cessna time for my Private, nor any of my solo UPT time, as PIC. I called it "other."
I figured under-stating my hours actually over-stated it to the HR and interview captain.
01-31-2011 | 04:39 PM
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I listed all time the I "thought" about flying an airplane solo as "other" and included it in my totals.
Unfortunately, that also required me to list some class A's, flying under a bridge, and flying with my pants ....................
Seriously though - I don't beleive the interviewer spent more than a glance looking at my hours and for most mil guys, this seems to be the case. If you have to ask, probably don't include it.
Unfortunately, that also required me to list some class A's, flying under a bridge, and flying with my pants ....................
Seriously though - I don't beleive the interviewer spent more than a glance looking at my hours and for most mil guys, this seems to be the case. If you have to ask, probably don't include it.
01-31-2011 | 07:47 PM
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[QUOTE=UAL T38 Phlyer;939665]The FARs (I think) allow you to do it...but your Air Force flight records record the solo time as "Student Time," not "PIC." Of course, the FARs (ne, 14 CFR) also state that "...all turbojet aircraft require a type-rating...," but somehow, I never got one for the F-4 or T-38.
Actually the F-4 and T-38 (MD-F4 and N-T38, I think) are covered as an authorized experimental aircraft placed on your pilot certificate. Not all military jet aircraft are covered by this or a civilian type rating though.
Actually the F-4 and T-38 (MD-F4 and N-T38, I think) are covered as an authorized experimental aircraft placed on your pilot certificate. Not all military jet aircraft are covered by this or a civilian type rating though.
01-31-2011 | 08:03 PM
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The FARs (I think) allow you to do it...but your Air Force flight records record the solo time as "Student Time," not "PIC." Of course, the FARs (ne, 14 CFR) also state that "...all turbojet aircraft require a type-rating...," but somehow, I never got one for the F-4 or T-38.
Actually the F-4 and T-38 (MD-F4 and N-T38, I think) are covered as an authorized experimental aircraft placed on your pilot certificate. Not all military jet aircraft are covered by this or a civilian type rating though.
Actually the F-4 and T-38 (MD-F4 and N-T38, I think) are covered as an authorized experimental aircraft placed on your pilot certificate. Not all military jet aircraft are covered by this or a civilian type rating though.
LTK - do you know if this would be the actual type rating or are you taking a guess? I'm thinking you might be right on
What a great type rating to have huh!USMCFLYR
02-01-2011 | 06:46 AM
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You don't need an FAA type rating, nor does one even need to exist, in order to log flight time in military aircraft in which you have a military rating (or solo privileges).
02-01-2011 | 07:11 AM
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USMCFlyer,
The F-4 rating would be just like your A-4 rating, and would probably show up as "DC-F4". As I understand it, since these tactical jets didn't go through the FAA's certification program, there is no "type rating",... just the "Authorized Experimental Aircraft" (AEA) rating you get.
I believe, however, that you CAN get a type rating in the T-33.
I got the NH-T38 and NH-F5 AEA rating on mine for some after hours stuff I was working on years ago.
Lasttoknow is correct in that the FAA will not honor this for all mil jets: the U-2 is a case in point.
The F-4 rating would be just like your A-4 rating, and would probably show up as "DC-F4". As I understand it, since these tactical jets didn't go through the FAA's certification program, there is no "type rating",... just the "Authorized Experimental Aircraft" (AEA) rating you get.
I believe, however, that you CAN get a type rating in the T-33.
I got the NH-T38 and NH-F5 AEA rating on mine for some after hours stuff I was working on years ago.
Lasttoknow is correct in that the FAA will not honor this for all mil jets: the U-2 is a case in point.
02-01-2011 | 09:23 AM
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They actually established experimental aircraft authorizations for a number of fighters and trainers. They were covered under the loa program until about 2004 when the faa started putting them on pilot certificates, a quasi "type rating." Unfortunately around 2006 or 2007 the faa rewrote the 8700 guidance and will no longer give these out based on military compentancy without a civil need, ie a a job flying civilian F-4, T-38, etc.
02-01-2011 | 09:39 AM
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And if someone schwacks you for logging PIC time for solo, which is how the FAA directs it to be done, they are a first class moron (Unless their application instructions specifically state not to claim it as PIC on the resume/Application, but you're not going to white-out your logbook.)
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