That have to honor sanctuary, right?
 

I assume this extension talk has to do with guys who are previous retirees or are not in sanctuary. My understanding is when you are within sanctuary in this LPRP program and will reach 20 yrs AD by the 4 year limit of the program (3 yrs extended to up to 4) then you're orders would be amended in due time. I need 6 months beyond my 3 yr hitch, and several others I know are in the same boat. I double-checked on this before coming back...to assure that I wouldn't be left high and dry.

The question is--when do you step forward and ask for the extension? I guess that since I have passed the 18 yr point, I could ask for it now...but I think it is wiser to simply wait until a few months before my orders end. No use highlighting myself for a bad deal.

179 short tour credit is no more
 

I received the short tour credit last December for 300 Overseas TDY days in 18 months. The new rules removed the 179 days overseas credit towards short tours. Other than 300 days in 18 months the only other way is 548 days in 3 years. I think the the effective date was either June or July of their year. I remember reading the message via an email sent to our squadron last spring.

C17 - I think you're right but am nowhere near sanctuary so I'm not an expert on that. But from the way I understand it, what you said is correct. Hopefully somebody with more knowledge will chime in. And you're also correct in that my question was about those that are not in sanctuary.

Turtle - yes, this was about non-sanctuary extensions. You can invoke sanctuary anytime once you've passed the 18-yr point by emailing the Recall Shop. They'll issue an amendment to your orders with a new DOS. I can't advise on how long you should wait in your situation, but waiting too long could have repercussions if you have to start outprocessing or PCS actions to return to your original unit.

floater - I wouldn't get your hopes up. My counterpart at AFGSC told me today that they had a bomber guy in a KNB get his extension denied. I will confirm that with the Recall Shop if possible.

Thanks for the update Kikuchiyo. Interesting they're denying guys in KNB slots..maybe the bomber staff billets and numbers have improved??

Thanks for the reassurance on sanctuary, Kikuchiyo...it's what we certainly expect from the LPRP.

I was thinking about asking for the amendment about 5 months out from the end of my 3 yr orders, which would put me 11 months from my 20 yr date. I had to break ties with my reserve unit to do this gig and don't intend to try and go back--just simply retire. Sound reasonable to you?

Turtle - yes, sounds reasonable. But I don't know at what point the personnel system will start taking actions to separate you IAW the original end date on your EAD orders. That would be my only concern. All it takes is an email to the Recall Shop to invoke sanctuary. Presumably they can undo anything that the system has initiated by your proposed 5-month point. I wouldn't wait that long personally, but your situation regarding "highlighting for bad deals" is different.

And to clarify something else from your post at the top of the page. You said "will reach 20 yrs AD by the 4 year limit of the program." The 4-yr point is not relevant to sanctuary, only to normal extension requests. If your original 3-yr LPRP orders took you to 18 years and 1 day, then sanctuary would be granted to 20, even though it adds another (almost) 2 years.

Hello all recallers. Long time lurker, first time poster. I want to thank everyone, especially Kikuchiyo, for all the great information over the last two years regarding the LPRP. Glad to see the thread restarted. I think there are a bunch of us out there approaching a year out with similiar questions, so again, thanks to all. So here's today's questions: If you declare sanctuary, do they just extend your DOS and keep you in the LPRP under the same rules (meaning no ITDY, PCS's, ...) or do you fall back into the Mother Air Force assignment world to have them send you where they seem fit? The LPRP office has told me that they would "probably" just keep you where you are. It's the "probably" that we've all seen before that has me concerned, so I was wondering if there are any concrete rules out there. Likewise, if you declare sanctuary, do you incur a commitment or can you just bow out when they give you a raw deal? If that's not enough for questions, here's one more, how would you declare sanctuary if you don't reach it until a short time before your current contract runs out. I have 3 months but others might be down to less. Thanks to all that might have any insight.

Once you enter sanctuary, even on the first day, you declare your right to extend until the 20-yr point. What they can do is send you wherever they want to, big blue owns you at that point (i.e. there is no obligation to honor any prior LPRP promises). What they will do depends on how long you have until 20 and what you are currently doing and where you currently are; that part takes a crystal ball. I don't think the USAF has a habit of purposefully slamming guys just because they made it to sanctuary.