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LowSlowT2

11-02-2011 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1079153)

This is really a small piece to the gigantic problem the USAF has ... standardization across fleets.

Without re-picking the scab (too much), I don't see this as a standardization issue, really.

However, it's the least of USAF's problems...

Deuce130

11-04-2011 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacker15e (Post 1078321)

Oh, well..doesn't matter in the grand scheme, I suppose, but when my IP time gets compared to a heavy dude who logs all IP time on every sortie simply because of his IP qual, I'll look much less 'experienced'.

Yeah, the AF should def do something about that. How unfair.

KC10 FATboy

11-06-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LowSlowT2 (Post 1079209)

Without re-picking the scab (too much), I don't see this as a standardization issue, really.

However, it's the least of USAF's problems...

When HQ AMC's very own ORM form(s) asks how much PIC time I have ... yes, it's a big standardization problem. How is someone supposed to know their PIC time when the USAF doesn't even define it or track it?

flyboy2b4

11-07-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacker15e (Post 1078324)

I, too, have a digital logbook that I log my military time in, and use "FAA" or "Major Airline" rules.

I have both a "PIC" column and a "Dual Given" column. If I am the instructor for a 1.0 sortie, then 1.0 goes in "PIC" and 1.0 also goes in the "Dual Given" column...because it counts for both.

If an airline asks for IP time and PIC time, and considers the time separately, it's easy to separate the time out through the wonders of Excel.

Hey guys, I was just wondering what dual given vs. dual received meant in terms of logging flight time?

CAFB 04-12

11-08-2011 03:54 AM

Dual = Instruction given.

Dual received = Instruction received?

The AF doesn't really have a dual received column. Maybe "student" would be the closest thing.

That's my understanding anyway.

Hacker15e

11-09-2011 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by flyboy2b4 (Post 1081636)

Hey guys, I was just wondering what dual given vs. dual received meant in terms of logging flight time?

Not sure what you're really asking here.

In reference to what each is 'worth' in terms of your experience as a pilot and selling it to an airline someday, there is a Grand Canyon's difference between the two, as they live at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Dual Received is pretty much 'worthless' time so far as the airlines are concerned. You're not the PIC, not making any real decisions, and not legally 'in charge' of the aircraft.

Dual Given is the opposite, PIC and instructor time, which is exactly what the airlines are interested in when hiring future F/Os.

In terms of "logged" time, dual received goes in the "total time" column, too.

flyboy2b4

11-10-2011 06:09 AM

Ok cool, thanks CAFB and Hacker!

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