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04-21-2012, 05:53 PM

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hawgdriver

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"He said he saw more tactical flying in the MC-12 than he saw in 3 years in the Viper"

Now thats one of the funniest things I've heard in a while

07-26-2013, 12:00 PM

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didn't want to start a new thread so just thought i would reply to this one. Now i did an MC-12 gig about 6 months ago as a fighter guy so the whole "A" coded thing was new to me. Now that i'm filling out airline apps, i notice that while I was "A" coded for 95% of my sorties, we still split PIC and SIC with the copilot everytime. Now most airlines would consider all that time PIC since i was the AC even though the right seaters rarely touched the controls. so i'm asking a couple things:
1) did anyone else do that too as far as splitting time b/c in retrospect that was a dumb idea
2) is there anyway to figure out which sorties you were "A" coded on an ARMS printout b/c that is another 300ish PIC time that could be added to my time but can't prove it right now

Just curious...

07-26-2013, 03:32 PM

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JohnnyG

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Beale isn't a bad place to be stationed at all, and the same dudes seem to fly their pants off, judging by the radio calls I hear in the area on Norcal and ZOA.

"Chico Tower, Cougar 32 is headed back to Oakland, see you in 15 minutes on the ILS to a low approach"

07-26-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eagledriver122

Eagle--there's good threads discussing this in other places but the big picture is to use the time from your MP column on the printout. From that point forward you can justify that you were or could have been the A code. Now the hard part is deciding how you want to weight your time as an MP. I used 95% of my MP time in C-21 as A code because I usually carried the A code once I upgraded and we rarely had a third pilot or flew with two ACs. For C-141s I used 80% because we had larger crews and mult ACs. On the C-17, I've used 60% because in my last few years, I've done less and less A code flying. Lots of variations on this theme so ask around. Just have a good explanation for your thought process if you get asked.

07-27-2013, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by eagledriver122

eagle,
E-3 guys constantly are doing that. That is all I ever did. We tend to fly a ton though and it kind of works out. Just if you feel you were the A code take those hours as PIC and ensure you annotate some how how you did it. I did it and the interviewers didn't seem to mind. Check out the other threads.

07-27-2013, 06:44 AM

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WARich

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In the MC-12, as mission commander you signed for the aircraft, you're the PIC the whole flight whether or not the time was split. Once or twice I did have another mission commander as my pilot, but once again I'm the mission commander for that mission I'm the PIC.

07-27-2013, 10:25 AM

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To give a simple answer that's probably been addressed a lot in other places...the difference is between how the AF logs time. The PIC/SIC spectrum is not the same as the military primary/secondary/IP/eval/other spectrum. In the crew AF, we use the A-code, which is not permanently recorded in your flight records for easy transfer to airline apps.

I hope that helps clarify the issue...

07-27-2013, 12:50 PM

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HuggyU2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hawgdriver

"He said he saw more tactical flying in the MC-12 than he saw in 3 years in the Viper"

Now thats one of the funniest things I've heard in a while

I don't get it.

07-30-2013, 04:32 PM

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Rawhide16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eagledriver122

You have to realize that AF Primary/Secondary time is not the same as civilian PIC/SIC. If you were the A code you were the PIC. Log it as such. I had an electronic logbook and logged every flight in the MC-12. If I was the MC for the mission I logged PIC. The only time I didn't was if I was with an IP or certifier for an "upgrade" ride such as a TF line. Even that is conservative as I was still the A code but I've always logged my time as conservatively as possible with a viable explanation for all of it.

Log your A code time as PIC and if it comes up in an interview explain the process. It shouldn't be a big deal unless you barely meet the airline's mins.

07-30-2013, 05:35 PM

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Thunderpig

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Originally Posted by HuggyU2

I don't get it.

There would be several reasons for that...however, the idea that an MC-12 could be more tactical than a Wiper is funny to a lot of people. Having flown the -12 and the Hawg, I can say that that person is correct...the Wiper wasn't particularly effective at TICs unless they could drop a bomb. The -12, oddly enough, is a particularly good platform in that arena, providing some particularly rewarding sorties.