highsky

I know it...and you know it. A phase check isn't the same as a check ride.

But seriously, a job interview at FDX or UPS is not the place to impress HR with Bill Clinton-like wordsmithing skills, and a clever semantic commentary about how you were justified in not putting your UPT bust on your application.

True story:
UPS class back in 2007. Class welcome dinner with the Chief Pilot. During the Chief Pilot's speech, he encouraged everyone to "be honest, and put integrity first, because that's what built this company, wuf, wuf, wuf..."

So during the cocktail mixer portion of the event later on, one new-hire, encouraged by this open-door, "as long as you don't lie, cheat, or steal, you can tell us anything" tone, wanted to assuage the guilt he had from omitting a UPT bust on his UPS application.

So he privately shared with the chief pilot that he had actually failed a UPT check, then left it off of his application.

He was immediately fired, before he could even set down his Bud Light.

Flys135s

100% agree. Before I submit an application I'll do my best to understand what it is an airline wants before hand so it doesn't become an issue in the interview. I believe that was the intent of this thread to begin with. What do airlines want to see on their applications? Is it phase checks and checkrides or just checkrides? That's a valid question. I don't think anyone here has the intent of trying to hide anything or get away with something. They just want to give an accurate answer.

I just get a beak on when someone infers their interpretation is the honest interpretation and anything different is dishonest.

I'll take from your example with UPS that they want to know about the phase busts as well; fair enough.

blue135

All great info guys. I was partially concerned that the computer matrix doing the shuffle of names would only see that I have a check ride failure and not that it was just a UPT phase check. Is there a real human looking at this stuff before they do the rack n stack?

KC10 FATboy

From what I've been told, a human doesn't typically see your online application until you've been selected to be called in, or someone went to bat for you and discussed your application with the HR team. There are too many applicants for the HR teams to scrub individually.

I can't speak as to how companies score their online applications. I would imagine that when a company tells the system to rack and stack applicants, and they select applicants from that stack, those with this question marked yes still get called. I say that because of my own experience as I've always marked it yes and I've been called in to interview.

Footstomp, one thing I wouldn't do is mark it yes, then change it to a no at a later date. That is a huge no-no.

Based on Highsky's story, it is obvious how UPS feels about that question. Does anyone have any inside knowledge for other airlines?

What is interesting to me is that people are confident in posting on here saying they wouldn't mark it yes while assuming this is an anonymous system. I am not making accusations against APC, but I doubt this board is anonymous.

Companies do go on fishing expeditions. I know of an instance where a management pilot, who was a military reservist, was being called upon by the company to find information on other reservists who also worked for the company to make sure they were being truthful about their military leave etc.etc..

jetIP

Hey there Sparky, I never said whether or not to mention it, or even used the phrase airline app/interview. Just informing all that they are, in fact (ie..not just my opinion), not legally checkrides.

therefore....

you should yourself take the advice from this guy...

Wollac

To further this discussion, is a Q2 considered a bust? By military definition, it means, "Qualified, with additional training" Is a Q2 worth mentioning on an app?

Pakagecheck

If they ask you did you pass any check rides with additional training then answer yes otherwise, if you are answering the question "have you failed any check rides, line checks etc.", the answer is no!!!

A Q2 is NOT a failure.

Hope this helps!
Pakage

GBU-24

Ok,
Dude...NO UPT or IFF OR whatever sortie is a checkride...Is it a form 8? Yes? Is it a Q3? Yes...then yes, you suck, write it up...Q2 or better...no bust... You busted your “I” check in T-38s...yes...NO it is not a bust..stop being stupid...you busted your DB-4 at
IFF?...Yes… it's not a Form 8!!.

Is it on some piece of paper in my FEF? If it's not then... Always take the opportunity to shut the F##K up!

End of thread! Move on!

crewdawg

This thread should be cut down to two posts...the original question and this answer!

navigatro

I busted a stand-up EP in T-37's and my name was turned upside-down on the scheduling board, and I had to wear blues the rest of the day.

Should I report this on my airline applications?