failed UPT check and applications
04-11-2012, 05:02 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by navigatro
I busted a stand-up EP in T-37's and my name was turned upside-down on the scheduling board, and I had to wear blues the rest of the day.
Should I report this on my airline applications?
Should I report this on my airline applications?
04-11-2012, 11:30 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by GBU-24
Ok, Dude...NO UPT or IFF OR whatever sortie is a checkride...Is it a form 8? Yes? Is it a Q3? Yes...then yes, you suck, write it up...Q2 or better...no bust... You busted your “I” check in T-38s...yes...NO it is not a bust..stop being stupid...
The Fed Ex application specifically asks for failed checkrides and phase checks. I indicated on the application that I did bust my T-38 instrument phase check. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised when they don't call me for an interview.
What's the name of the truck driving school? Truckmasters?
04-16-2012, 09:45 AM
#33
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Just went down to flight records and it did show my UPT bust for formation. My question is what do you actually bring to an airline interview to show them your military records. I've kept a personal logbook with all my civilian
and military flying combined. Interestingly enough they don't agree
and military flying combined. Interestingly enough they don't agree
04-16-2012, 12:23 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by hawgdriver
Just went down to flight records and it did show my UPT bust for formation. My question is what do you actually bring to an airline interview to show them your military records. I've kept a personal logbook with all my civilian
and military flying combined. Interestingly enough they don't agree
and military flying combined. Interestingly enough they don't agree
Make everything as simple as possible.
04-16-2012, 01:20 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by hawgdriver
It was a question. What do you bring to airline interviews? I have no idea, thats why I asked.
Good luck.
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04-17-2012, 01:43 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by highsky
I know it...and you know it. A phase check isn't the same as a check ride.
But seriously, a job interview at FDX or UPS is not the place to impress HR with Bill Clinton-like wordsmithing skills, and a clever semantic commentary about how you were justified in not putting your UPT bust on your application.
True story:
UPS class back in 2007. Class welcome dinner with the Chief Pilot. During the Chief Pilot's speech, he encouraged everyone to "be honest, and put integrity first, because that's what built this company, wuf, wuf, wuf..."
So during the cocktail mixer portion of the event later on, one new-hire, encouraged by this open-door, "as long as you don't lie, cheat, or steal, you can tell us anything" tone, wanted to assuage the guilt he had from omitting a UPT bust on his UPS application.
So he privately shared with the chief pilot that he had actually failed a UPT check, then left it off of his application.
He was immediately fired, before he could even set down his Bud Light.
But seriously, a job interview at FDX or UPS is not the place to impress HR with Bill Clinton-like wordsmithing skills, and a clever semantic commentary about how you were justified in not putting your UPT bust on your application.
True story:
UPS class back in 2007. Class welcome dinner with the Chief Pilot. During the Chief Pilot's speech, he encouraged everyone to "be honest, and put integrity first, because that's what built this company, wuf, wuf, wuf..."
So during the cocktail mixer portion of the event later on, one new-hire, encouraged by this open-door, "as long as you don't lie, cheat, or steal, you can tell us anything" tone, wanted to assuage the guilt he had from omitting a UPT bust on his UPS application.
So he privately shared with the chief pilot that he had actually failed a UPT check, then left it off of his application.
He was immediately fired, before he could even set down his Bud Light.
"No, I fired him because he's a dumb@ss for even brining it up."
04-17-2012, 01:56 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by hawgdriver
It was a question. What do you bring to airline interviews? I have no idea, thats why I asked.
Each place is different, they will tell you what is needed. I don't remember DAL needing anything other then a flying history report.
04-17-2012, 03:24 PM
#39
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Besides, when it comes to failed checkrides, there are two types of pilots: Those who have, and those who will.
Very few pilots at these late stages have never failed a phase check, check ride..., or whatever you want to call it. So if you walk into your interview claiming to be one of the few who have a perfect record, your credibility, your logbook, and your records will be scrutinized.
I know there will be plenty on here who have never failed a check. And that's great. But it's rare.
I was #1 in my USAF UPT class, and I failed a check. It happens.
The biggest thing is to admit responsibility, and discuss the lesson learned. This will impress the interviewer, and let him know that you are safe.
NEVER try to rationalize how you were "screwed."
Very few pilots at these late stages have never failed a phase check, check ride..., or whatever you want to call it. So if you walk into your interview claiming to be one of the few who have a perfect record, your credibility, your logbook, and your records will be scrutinized.
I know there will be plenty on here who have never failed a check. And that's great. But it's rare.
I was #1 in my USAF UPT class, and I failed a check. It happens.
The biggest thing is to admit responsibility, and discuss the lesson learned. This will impress the interviewer, and let him know that you are safe.
NEVER try to rationalize how you were "screwed."
12-03-2014, 08:58 PM
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Are Downgrades the same as AF Discrepancies?
United and Delta ask, "Have you ever been the subject of an evaluation board or been removed from flight status, downgraded, or failed any portion of flight training either civilian or military?"
I have received a Q1 with a downgrade, which is minor comments on the back of an Air Force Form 8. This is considered a downgrade by Air Force language but does that qualify in this application question?
Or is it referring to airline standards of a downgrade from Captain to First Officer... Thoughts?
I have received a Q1 with a downgrade, which is minor comments on the back of an Air Force Form 8. This is considered a downgrade by Air Force language but does that qualify in this application question?
Or is it referring to airline standards of a downgrade from Captain to First Officer... Thoughts?
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