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Old 12-25-2012 | 10:18 AM
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I assume the Boeing guys are ex-military, correct ?
More than likely.
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Old 12-26-2012 | 09:58 AM
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What was the cause of this accident? That runway looks very long and the C-17 has excellent stopping capability.
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Old 12-26-2012 | 10:29 AM
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KC-10, that info should probably only be released through official AF Safety channels. If you have a need to know, you'll have access to it.
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Old 12-26-2012 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by polcat
27,000 man-hours to fix! Note they had to cover up the crew entrance door.
Was the door covered forever? Or just until they got it to Long Beach?
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Old 12-26-2012 | 11:19 AM
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Exactly the mentality which is driving me out of the military. Good answer haha
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Old 12-26-2012 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by limelight
KC-10, that info should probably only be released through official AF Safety channels. If you have a need to know, you'll have access to it.
YGBSM.
you do know that AIB results (unlike SIB reports) are public information.



FOB Shank C-17 Accident Investigation Board Complete


Published: Jun 11, 2012, by U.S. Air Force .6/11/2012 - SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE, Ill. -- Air Mobility Command released the results of its investigation into the Jan. 23, 2012, mishap involving a C-17A Globemaster III that landed at Forward Operating Base Shank, Afghanistan.
The Accident Investigation Board, convened by AMC, found that the cause of the mishap was the pilot and co-pilot failed to identify that the landing distance required to safely stop the aircraft exceeded the runway length. Additionally, the AIB president found that the failure to assess runway conditions for fixed wing operations at FOB Shank substantially contributed to the mishap.
The aircraft landed on a runway at FOB Shank, where the C-17A was unable to stop, departed the prepared runway surface, struck an embankment, and came to rest approximately 700 feet from the end of the runway. The aircraft sustained damage to the landing gear, cargo floor, undercarriage, antennas, and main structural components. There were no passengers, fatalities, significant injuries, or damage to civilian or other military property. The estimated cost to repair the C-17A is $69.4 million.
The mishap occurred as the C-17A was landing at FOB Shank during a combat airlift mission in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.
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Old 12-26-2012 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
YGBSM.
you do know that AIB results (unlike SIB reports) are public information.



FOB Shank C-17 Accident Investigation Board Complete


Published: Jun 11, 2012, by U.S. Air Force .6/11/2012 - SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE, Ill. -- Air Mobility Command released the results of its investigation into the Jan. 23, 2012, mishap involving a C-17A Globemaster III that landed at Forward Operating Base Shank, Afghanistan.
The Accident Investigation Board, convened by AMC, found that the cause of the mishap was the pilot and co-pilot failed to identify that the landing distance required to safely stop the aircraft exceeded the runway length. Additionally, the AIB president found that the failure to assess runway conditions for fixed wing operations at FOB Shank substantially contributed to the mishap.
The aircraft landed on a runway at FOB Shank, where the C-17A was unable to stop, departed the prepared runway surface, struck an embankment, and came to rest approximately 700 feet from the end of the runway. The aircraft sustained damage to the landing gear, cargo floor, undercarriage, antennas, and main structural components. There were no passengers, fatalities, significant injuries, or damage to civilian or other military property. The estimated cost to repair the C-17A is $69.4 million.
The mishap occurred as the C-17A was landing at FOB Shank during a combat airlift mission in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.
I'm assuming AIBs are the equivalent to Navy/USMC JAGMAN investigations whereas SIBs are teh equivalent to AMB (Aviation Mishap Board) which are non punitive generally and only used to determine cause and future prevention etc? JAGMANs, to my knowledge, have always been a matter of public record and as such are subject to FOIA requests.
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Old 12-26-2012 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BDGERJMN
I'm assuming AIBs are the equivalent to Navy/USMC JAGMAN investigations whereas SIBs are teh equivalent to AMB (Aviation Mishap Board) which are non punitive generally and only used to determine cause and future prevention etc? JAGMANs, to my knowledge, have always been a matter of public record and as such are subject to FOIA requests.
Yep. AIBs can be/often are used for punitive action. SIBs are ONLY for accident prevention. The two boards are not allowed to talk to one another or even know about each other's witnesses, if I remember correctly. The only caveat I remember is if the SIB uncovers illegal activity, then all bets are off.
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Old 12-26-2012 | 01:43 PM
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KC-10Fatboy,
Don't be sore at Limelight for his responce to your question, you have to remember some of the places we (C-17) fly into are not meant to be discussed or disseminated, hence his reply to you...I assume
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Old 12-26-2012 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Vito
KC-10Fatboy,
Don't be sore at Limelight for his responce to your question, you have to remember some of the places we (C-17) fly into are not meant to be discussed or disseminated, hence his reply to you...I assume
Take Care,
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What was the cause of this accident?
that was the question, if I quoted him right

Could be answered

Crew encountered blowing dust at Top Secret Airfield ABC upon landing and taxied off runway into a bar ditch.

lets not make this rocket science guys
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