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Sputnik 04-26-2013 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1398313)

Do you think we need this big of military? Do you think we can train just as hard in the simulators and be just as effective?

Been working out well in the C17 world

thrust 04-26-2013 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 1398542)
Been working out well in the C17 world

Do C-17 guys practice gear-down landings, thunderstorm avoidance, snowy/icy runway TOLD, and correct airport identification in the sim?

Sputnik 04-26-2013 07:12 AM

Sorry, was trying for sarcasm. Guess it wasn't clear.

crewdawg 04-26-2013 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 1398585)
Do C-17 guys practice gear-down landings, thunderstorm avoidance, snowy/icy runway TOLD, and correct airport identification in the sim?

Well played!

DeltaPoBoy 04-26-2013 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 1398585)
Do C-17 guys practice gear-down landings, thunderstorm avoidance, snowy/icy runway TOLD, and correct airport identification in the sim?

What airframe do you fly? Any "pilot error" incidents lately?

thrust 04-27-2013 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 1398591)
Sorry, was trying for sarcasm. Guess it wasn't clear.

Looks like we were on the same page....

thrust 04-27-2013 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaPoBoy (Post 1398982)
What airframe do you fly? Any "pilot error" incidents lately?

I can see how my avatar wouldn't give you any idea.

Fluglehrer 04-27-2013 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1398313)
This will not be a popular suggestion.

Do you think we need this big of military?

No, we don't need this big of a military. The very size of our military encourages use in matters not essential to the defense of the U.S. Constitution.
No more nation-building, especially in majority-Muslim nations. A decade of nation-building hasn't made much of a dent in the mindset of the people. It has made a dent in the U.S. pocketbook.

BFMthisA10 04-27-2013 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1398313)
This will not be a popular suggestion.

Do you think we need this big of military? Do you think we can train just as hard in the simulators and be just as effective?

I know in the heavy world we could move most of the training into the simulators (if it hasn't been already) and remain safe and mission capable. We should not be burning 18,000 lbs and hour for a KC-10 to be conducting instrument approach training.

I know many people will disagree with me. But I think it could be done -- at least for the short term.

Yes, I do think that we need this big of a military. I am uncomfortable by how low it's been suggested that we draw down our forces. But I would also submit that we don't necessarily need this much capability in a standing, active duty force either.

As an example, I submit the UK. Their stated defense strategy for their interest in the Falklands is that Argentina is in no position to make a move. Thats it. Should Argentina secure outside sponsorship (as was a common occurrence during the cold war), the UK could do little more than smile and wave this time around.

I also agree with your suggestion that much of our readiness training could move to simulation based methods. That simulation based approach would have to be supplemented with more robust realistic evaluation methods, a-la Red Flag. A potential downside to this approach, if you and I are wrong in some of our assumptions, is the potential for increased mishap rates during the reduced in-flight training times and exercises.


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