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Old 07-02-2014 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Who is the AC on the flight schedule? That's who should sign for it. I always defer to rank when haggling over the flight schedule, but it has never happened to me on the jet or in maint control unless I was picking someone (Skipper or XO) up and giving them the courtesy of asking if they want to sign for this leg. 99.9 percent of the time, they say no and take their seat in the back or next to me. Never an issue.
Flight schedule signed by CO or by direction determines. Check 3710.
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Old 07-02-2014 | 10:32 AM
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^^^^^This. The Big Blue Sleeping Pill says so.
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Old 07-02-2014 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nordo
The Big Blue Sleeping Pill says so.
Believe me, it isn't just the NATOPS. Its any training manual. No matter how well rested you are, open one up and its lights out.
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Old 07-02-2014 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumav8r
He may only have experience flying single seat aircraft where that rule is never used. I myself flew several tours flying single seat aircraft the only time I was in something with two seats was when receiving instruction and in that case the instructor was the AC.

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I have more qualifications and more time, but he is senior rank wise.
Now I certainly take that as more qualifications and more time in the P-8/ASW community, but even if by chance not, the flight schedule still dictates the responsibilities of the aircrew - in ALL communities doesn't it?
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Old 07-02-2014 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
The OP said:...the flight schedule still dictates the responsibilities of the aircrew - in ALL communities doesn't it?
AFAIK and the 3710 it does. End of story.
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Old 07-03-2014 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by P8ASW
I have anupcoming flight with someone who is senior in rank to me. I have more qualifications and more time, but he is senior rank wise. I know typically the senior person signs for the aircraft, but I can not find that mandated in 3710. Anyone have a reference addressing this?

Doesn't matter to us either way, but curious about the "real" answer.

Appreciate the help!
Do you guys not delineate AC on the daily flight schedule? After all that is a written order, and the real tie breaker.

Edit... I see we've covered this.
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Old 07-03-2014 | 09:37 PM
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It really depends on the squadron and service.

My background USMC: it was on the flight orders signed by the CO the day prior. Cut and dried.

My background as a PIT instructor with the USAF: we were directed to determine it at the brief based on qualifications and time in the aircraft.

My background as a USAF U-2 pilot/T-38 pilot, we had specific rules put out by OGV delineating qualifications ( IP counted but EP didn't count) but not total time in aircraft. All things equal, rank was the determining factor.

The underlying sentiment (in both the USMC and USAF) was that the senior guy was going to be responsible for any unplanned or screwed up events. If we had a reason to make the senior guy the AC, we used it.
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