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01-10-2015 | 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bay982

Navy pointy-nose guy here, and current adversary instructor. Friend currently testing F-35 has nothing good to say. On top of continuous bad media news. On top of production in 46 states. On top of boatloads of industry lobbyists pushing it. At least it's only multiple years behind schedule and considerably more than 100% over budget. I feel as though military guys defending it are suffering from some sort of cognitive dissonance. It's nearly a patriotic duty to shout out political and corporate failure when it's this egregious. The most expensive weapons program in history. Doing it's part to bankrupt the country.

This sums it up nicely. ^^

01-12-2015 | 01:26 PM

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It is good to see that folks are finally shaking off the old propaganda drumbeat of “We can’t afford NOT to have it” to “We can’t afford TO have it”.

Military branch specific competing desires and goals, multi-level political influences, use of the previously disproven and disastrous simultaneous concept and design testing, and contactor influence exerted over all of these areas mentioned doomed the 35 project from the start through the present and into the foreseeable future. While these items have always come into play on any military weapons project, they have been intensified and have become extremely convoluted on the 35 program, the likes of which has not been see previously.

Ya know; you can also be patriotic in demanding demonstrable and reasonable value for any and all monies expended on a military weapons project.

01-15-2015 | 07:19 PM

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Not sure if it has been said but consider the amount of money this turd has sucked from other, more important programs.

01-15-2015 | 09:23 PM

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Wise words on this very subject, from 1961:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

I'd heard of this, but never saw it before.

01-16-2015 | 01:57 AM

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Hating the player, and fixing the game is slamming the door on the F-35. For the cost of SCIFing up the CVN's and hangars alone to deal with this piece of sh!t, we could buy another air wing worth of Block II (or fund a block III) super hornets.

I've often thought the same thing. The money behind the infrastructure will never be figured into the unit cost of this program, but it is enormous. For the amphib's they need a new kind of non-skid deck coating and "SCIFing up". For the F-35B land based units to land vertically, they need a new kind of concrete for their pads. Hangars have specific requirements such that there isn't a usable legacy hanger they can utilize so those are being built from the ground up.

And as with any acquisition, the cost explodes and the natural progression is decommissioning squadrons to buy the tails.

As was already posted, a few squadrons of F-35's may have been worth it. As was also mentioned, what we really needed was a mix of high and low end TACAIR.

01-16-2015 | 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer

Wise words on this very subject, from 1961:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

I'd heard of this, but never saw it before.

Interesting in that he admits the need for such but then asks for an informed citizentry to guard against its' abuses.

01-16-2015 | 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer

Wise words on this very subject, from 1961:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

I'd heard of this, but never saw it before.

His warning was pretty straight forward and to the point, especially for that period in time. Obviously, it fell on deaf ears.

01-16-2015 | 05:44 AM

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Interesting in that he admits the need for such but then asks for an informed citizenry to guard against its' abuses.

Therein lies the crux of the problem. The irony that in an era where information and "being informed" is easy, yet the typical burning question in the citizenry is the banality of "what movie will win an Oscar?"

Ever notice that news headlines only last for about two weeks?

When was the last time you heard about:

1. Ebola?
2. The battle for Kobani?
3. MH 17?
4. MH 370?
5. The Jordanian F-16 pilot, captured by ISIS?
6. The fighting in Ukraine?
7. Lots going on about the attacks in Paris, with million-man unity marches.....but what about the thousands slaughtered in Nigeria by like-minded foes?

All still ongoing/unresolved.

Just keep the masses distracted and pacified.