Tax
#11
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The actual law, for those who care
Posted yet again, since this issue comes up over and over and over and over and over and over again.
49 U.S. Code § 40116 - State taxation
Specifically subsection (f). Here it is. Read it in all its black and white glory. Look it up yourself if you don't trust an internet message board. If you don't understand what this means, consult your attorney or your tax professional.
(f)Pay of Air Carrier Employees.—
(1) In this subsection— (A) “pay” means money received by an employee for services.
(B) “State” means a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and a territory or possession of the United States.
(C) an employee is deemed to have earned 50 percent of the employee’s pay in a State or political subdivision of a State in which the scheduled flight time of the employee in the State or subdivision is more than 50 percent of the total scheduled flight time of the employee when employed during the calendar year.
(2) The pay of an employee of an air carrier having regularly assigned duties on aircraft in at least 2 States is subject to the income tax laws of only the following:
(A) the State or political subdivision of the State that is the residence of the employee.
(B) the State or political subdivision of the State in which the employee earns more than 50 percent of the pay received by the employee from the carrier.
(3) Compensation paid by an air carrier to an employee described in subsection (a) in connection with such employee’s authorized leave or other authorized absence from regular duties on the carrier’s aircraft in order to perform services on behalf of the employee’s airline union shall be subject to the income tax laws of only the following: (A) The State or political subdivision of the State that is the residence of the employee.
(B) The State or political subdivision of the State in which the employee’s scheduled flight time would have been more than 50 percent of the employee’s total scheduled flight time for the calendar year had the employee been engaged full time in the performance of regularly assigned duties on the carrier’s aircraft.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/40116
49 U.S. Code § 40116 - State taxation
Specifically subsection (f). Here it is. Read it in all its black and white glory. Look it up yourself if you don't trust an internet message board. If you don't understand what this means, consult your attorney or your tax professional.
(f)Pay of Air Carrier Employees.—
(1) In this subsection— (A) “pay” means money received by an employee for services.
(B) “State” means a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and a territory or possession of the United States.
(C) an employee is deemed to have earned 50 percent of the employee’s pay in a State or political subdivision of a State in which the scheduled flight time of the employee in the State or subdivision is more than 50 percent of the total scheduled flight time of the employee when employed during the calendar year.
(2) The pay of an employee of an air carrier having regularly assigned duties on aircraft in at least 2 States is subject to the income tax laws of only the following:
(A) the State or political subdivision of the State that is the residence of the employee.
(B) the State or political subdivision of the State in which the employee earns more than 50 percent of the pay received by the employee from the carrier.
(3) Compensation paid by an air carrier to an employee described in subsection (a) in connection with such employee’s authorized leave or other authorized absence from regular duties on the carrier’s aircraft in order to perform services on behalf of the employee’s airline union shall be subject to the income tax laws of only the following: (A) The State or political subdivision of the State that is the residence of the employee.
(B) The State or political subdivision of the State in which the employee’s scheduled flight time would have been more than 50 percent of the employee’s total scheduled flight time for the calendar year had the employee been engaged full time in the performance of regularly assigned duties on the carrier’s aircraft.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/40116
#12
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Hahaha
US Air pilot living in Charlotte with a Texas address for tax purposes:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/forme...ison-tax-fraud
At least 3 guys at Northwest:
Third Northwest pilot convicted of tax evasion | Peninsula Clarion
Fedex guy:
http://wnws.com/news/17806-former-fe...or-tax-evasion
Some pilots think they have it figured out and can show a residential address in Texas, Florida, or any other state with no state income tax. It's outright fraud if you don't physically live there, and a felony tax evasion.
Good luck though, it's a bold move cotton lets see if it pays off
US Air pilot living in Charlotte with a Texas address for tax purposes:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/forme...ison-tax-fraud
At least 3 guys at Northwest:
Third Northwest pilot convicted of tax evasion | Peninsula Clarion
Fedex guy:
http://wnws.com/news/17806-former-fe...or-tax-evasion
Some pilots think they have it figured out and can show a residential address in Texas, Florida, or any other state with no state income tax. It's outright fraud if you don't physically live there, and a felony tax evasion.
Good luck though, it's a bold move cotton lets see if it pays off
Second one was NWA guys having a 'cabin' as their primary address despite sending their kids to another state's public schools, having homes there, DL there, being registered to vote etc.
If you do this correctly, don't have any kids, and have your mail and tax returns sent to your state of residence there is nothing wrong with it. It's one advantage we have as pilots.
If you rent a place in HI but own a place in FL this is perfectly legit, you could even own a place in HI too just don't have your mail or tax returns sent there. The federal government and states talk and share that info.
#13
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First link was a federal case, guy didn't pay federal income tax for like 30 years. How he got away with it that long I won't ever know. Not applicable to the OP.
Second one was NWA guys having a 'cabin' as their primary address despite sending their kids to another state's public schools, having homes there, DL there, being registered to vote etc.
If you do this correctly, don't have any kids, and have your mail and tax returns sent to your state of residence there is nothing wrong with it. It's one advantage we have as pilots.
If you rent a place in HI but own a place in FL this is perfectly legit, you could even own a place in HI too just don't have your mail or tax returns sent there. The federal government and states talk and share that info.
Second one was NWA guys having a 'cabin' as their primary address despite sending their kids to another state's public schools, having homes there, DL there, being registered to vote etc.
If you do this correctly, don't have any kids, and have your mail and tax returns sent to your state of residence there is nothing wrong with it. It's one advantage we have as pilots.
If you rent a place in HI but own a place in FL this is perfectly legit, you could even own a place in HI too just don't have your mail or tax returns sent there. The federal government and states talk and share that info.
#14
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First link was a federal case, guy didn't pay federal income tax for like 30 years. How he got away with it that long I won't ever know. Not applicable to the OP.
Second one was NWA guys having a 'cabin' as their primary address despite sending their kids to another state's public schools, having homes there, DL there, being registered to vote etc.
If you do this correctly, don't have any kids, and have your mail and tax returns sent to your state of residence there is nothing wrong with it. It's one advantage we have as pilots.
If you rent a place in HI but own a place in FL this is perfectly legit, you could even own a place in HI too just don't have your mail or tax returns sent there. The federal government and states talk and share that info.
Second one was NWA guys having a 'cabin' as their primary address despite sending their kids to another state's public schools, having homes there, DL there, being registered to vote etc.
If you do this correctly, don't have any kids, and have your mail and tax returns sent to your state of residence there is nothing wrong with it. It's one advantage we have as pilots.
If you rent a place in HI but own a place in FL this is perfectly legit, you could even own a place in HI too just don't have your mail or tax returns sent there. The federal government and states talk and share that info.
#15
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^^^^^^^ You hit it on the head... If you own property in let's say TX and have that as your primary residence for your tax returns and then you "commute" to HI and let's say buy a "vacation home" or rent a condo on the beach and use that as a secondary home or "crashpad" then you are a resident of TX. Your drivers license is TX, your tax returns are sent to TX then you are no different than a FL commuter based out of EWR that has a "vacation home" on the jersey shore to hangout at a few nights month before your trip starts. I will only recommend it if you OWN a property in those no-income states and list it as your primary and not make up any address to do this. Also beneficial to keep the driver's license of that state as well. But, the key is to have a "secondary, vacation, crashpad in HI. Gotta be smart about it.
#16
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^^^^^^^ You hit it on the head... If you own property in let's say TX and have that as your primary residence for your tax returns and then you "commute" to HI and let's say buy a "vacation home" or rent a condo on the beach and use that as a secondary home or "crashpad" then you are a resident of TX. Your drivers license is TX, your tax returns are sent to TX then you are no different than a FL commuter based out of EWR that has a "vacation home" on the jersey shore to hangout at a few nights month before your trip starts. I will only recommend it if you OWN a property in those no-income states and list it as your primary and not make up any address to do this. Also beneficial to keep the driver's license of that state as well. But, the key is to have a "secondary, vacation, crashpad in HI. Gotta be smart about it.
Pilots. Can make 200k+ but some will try to skirt and break the law so they can cheap skate their way out of ~ 3-4% total income tax on average. You realize poor people making minimum wage pay state income tax. But some prima dona making 200k with 16 days off has issues paying state income tax.
Last edited by ShyGuy; 09-21-2017 at 08:34 PM.
#17
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
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If you're living in that second vacation home after you finish your trips at HNL, you're residing in Hawaii. As the poster above said, States are wising up. They'll audit you and get to the bottom of just exactly where you reside.
Pilots. Can make 200k+ but some will try to skirt and break the law so they can cheap skate their way out of ~ 3-4% total income tax on average. You realize poor people making minimum wage pay state income tax. But some prima dona making 200k with 16 days off has issues paying state income tax.
Pilots. Can make 200k+ but some will try to skirt and break the law so they can cheap skate their way out of ~ 3-4% total income tax on average. You realize poor people making minimum wage pay state income tax. But some prima dona making 200k with 16 days off has issues paying state income tax.
Plenty of guys at my CO own crash pads in places they are based but actually live in FL. This isn't an abnormal lifestyle for people like us.
Last edited by Name User; 09-22-2017 at 08:12 AM.
#18
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HI income tax is >10%. This isn't being cheap. Companies take advantage of tax loopholes all the time. This is just being fiscally smart. Most states only require 6 months + 1 day to be a resident. Small price to pay to save hundreds of thousands over the course of ones career. IMO.
Plenty of guys at my CO own crash pads in places they are based but actually live in FL. This isn't an abnormal lifestyle for people like us.
Plenty of guys at my CO own crash pads in places they are based but actually live in FL. This isn't an abnormal lifestyle for people like us.
#19
As HI taxes are in the 10% range, they will find it useful to spend the time getting their due and making sure you are an example. Today, every move you make is recorded somewhere, so the trail is easy to follow. Even something as simple as consistently using your credit card at a deli for lunch on a non workday in HI will tag you.
If you don't want to pay HI tax, simple, live, really live, somewhere else.
GF
If you don't want to pay HI tax, simple, live, really live, somewhere else.
GF
#20
Any tax strategy which depends on avoiding a paper trail is too risky. Better to just fly airplanes and pay your taxes.
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