Is this true???
09-29-2007, 04:31 AM
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Don't let bad apples obscure the real issue.
Frieight...thank you. Also...what's with that tickle me elmo doll?? Never had one but that thing always scared me to be honest. lol.
10-28-2007, 08:08 PM
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I agree with most of what you all have said but also disagree with other things. Obviously it's ultimately up to the child how they act but I also lay the blame on the parents.
Parents need to lead by example not just give them "the talk." Although my fathers talk was more than enough for me. "Son, if you do drugs or smoke, I'll kick your a$$. If you drink, be smart, and if you drive I'll kick your a$$. If you get her pregnant I'm not paying a thing and you can kiss your dream of becoming an Air Force pilot goodbye, any questions?" That was more than enough for me because I respected my parents and my biggest fear, was and still is, disappointing my parents. I am who I am today because my parents cared enough to take the time to raise us kids right.
As far as peer pressure, I call bull ****, I never did a thing I didn't want to do, whether it was cool or not. If your friends are "true" friends then they will accept you and move on, if not you need move on, there are plenty of other people out there (from a kid who graduated with 37 kids). I chose not to drink or smoke in high school, did I get crap for it? Sure but I'm not about to let my friends define who I am! If there is one thing I will pass on to my children when I have them this would be it. Most of those "cool" kids from high school can be found in the same place years later. Still doing the same thing they were doing in high school, probably still talking about high school because those were the best years of their life.
As far as kids not working, I don't think they should work all that much in high school. I was lucky my dad didn't want me working at all during high school. He worked a factory job on the night shift his junior and senior years and says he missed alot of growing up. He didn't want me to make that same mistake. I just worked the summers on the farms because I hated asking for money. But I believe they should work for what they get, especially during college. Kids that work for the things tend to appreciate them more.
As far as the parents not accepting what the teachers are saying about their child, I agree that is a huge problem. Parents need to realize that their children are not the little angels they see, all the time. Think back to your childhood and the crap that you pulled. It's part of growing up, but hold them accountable for their actions.
As far as the media, again...I call bull. Growing up in the 90's we were more exposed to that crap more than most. Again if you let stuff like that define who you are, I think you have some serious soul searching to do.
This all from young naive eyes, I know I still have alot of growing up to do but this is what I have learned so far.
Parents need to lead by example not just give them "the talk." Although my fathers talk was more than enough for me. "Son, if you do drugs or smoke, I'll kick your a$$. If you drink, be smart, and if you drive I'll kick your a$$. If you get her pregnant I'm not paying a thing and you can kiss your dream of becoming an Air Force pilot goodbye, any questions?" That was more than enough for me because I respected my parents and my biggest fear, was and still is, disappointing my parents. I am who I am today because my parents cared enough to take the time to raise us kids right.
As far as peer pressure, I call bull ****, I never did a thing I didn't want to do, whether it was cool or not. If your friends are "true" friends then they will accept you and move on, if not you need move on, there are plenty of other people out there (from a kid who graduated with 37 kids). I chose not to drink or smoke in high school, did I get crap for it? Sure but I'm not about to let my friends define who I am! If there is one thing I will pass on to my children when I have them this would be it. Most of those "cool" kids from high school can be found in the same place years later. Still doing the same thing they were doing in high school, probably still talking about high school because those were the best years of their life.
As far as kids not working, I don't think they should work all that much in high school. I was lucky my dad didn't want me working at all during high school. He worked a factory job on the night shift his junior and senior years and says he missed alot of growing up. He didn't want me to make that same mistake. I just worked the summers on the farms because I hated asking for money. But I believe they should work for what they get, especially during college. Kids that work for the things tend to appreciate them more.
As far as the parents not accepting what the teachers are saying about their child, I agree that is a huge problem. Parents need to realize that their children are not the little angels they see, all the time. Think back to your childhood and the crap that you pulled. It's part of growing up, but hold them accountable for their actions.
As far as the media, again...I call bull. Growing up in the 90's we were more exposed to that crap more than most. Again if you let stuff like that define who you are, I think you have some serious soul searching to do.
This all from young naive eyes, I know I still have alot of growing up to do but this is what I have learned so far.
10-31-2007, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by planecrazyjenn
During my senior year of undergraduate school, I remember one girl complaining because she would be a few credits short of graduation and that her father wouldn't continue to pay for the next semester. She didn't graduate on time because she screwed around. My parent's didn't pay JACK! And I was about to start veterinary school...which required all four years paid for up front. NOT cheap. Did I *****? No I did something about it. And unlike her, at least I know I've earned both of my degrees.
A lot, not all, kids are expecting everything to be handed to them. And I don't just blame the kids, I do partially blame the parents. They spoil their kids too much from the very beginning...we expose them to the media, which is usually pretty negative. Look at the "celebrities"...their drug use, alcohol abuse, etc. These are who our kids look up to. I was brought up in a catholic school, and I kept my own daughter in catholic school before she killed by a drunk drive. She was an angel to have around...and unlike other kids, was not a complete wild one. I exposed her at an early age to my work in the missionary field. I never forced her to do it, but she would always volunteer to help out. She became grateful for the things we had, knowing that other children were not as lucky. A true blessing in my life. Oh and might I add that the drive of the other car was an underage drunk kid who wasn't injured, and to this day shows no remorse of the fact he killed my daughter.
It's just really sad in general. It saddens me to turn on the news and listen...and how greedy people can be. They think nothing can happen to them, and everything should be handed over with no work.
Like pilotpip said, I'm ashamed of my own generation.
A lot, not all, kids are expecting everything to be handed to them. And I don't just blame the kids, I do partially blame the parents. They spoil their kids too much from the very beginning...we expose them to the media, which is usually pretty negative. Look at the "celebrities"...their drug use, alcohol abuse, etc. These are who our kids look up to. I was brought up in a catholic school, and I kept my own daughter in catholic school before she killed by a drunk drive. She was an angel to have around...and unlike other kids, was not a complete wild one. I exposed her at an early age to my work in the missionary field. I never forced her to do it, but she would always volunteer to help out. She became grateful for the things we had, knowing that other children were not as lucky. A true blessing in my life. Oh and might I add that the drive of the other car was an underage drunk kid who wasn't injured, and to this day shows no remorse of the fact he killed my daughter.
It's just really sad in general. It saddens me to turn on the news and listen...and how greedy people can be. They think nothing can happen to them, and everything should be handed over with no work.
Like pilotpip said, I'm ashamed of my own generation.
I totally agree with you...I'm 21 and I was telling a friend that if she stayed at my college, it would be way cheaper than going to an art school. And my college HAS an art program!!! But she said that her parents are paying for it, so she doesn't care...I felt bad for her parents. I mean, I'll admit, my parents pay for a lot of my college, but I at least try to go as easy on their wallets as possible, and treat their money as my own. It's ridiculous how much some of the parents of my generation babied their kids. My boyfriend doesn't have to pay his cell bill or his car insurance bill, and his parents paid $8,000 dollars toward his car. He hasn't had to spend a dime in his life, and therefore wastes all of his money and my money because he thinks it grows on trees. He can never wait a few months to see a movie. He always has to see it at midnight when it comes out, even if it's in the "luxury" movie theater. Same with video games. Always gotta be the newest thing....it's just frustrating....
and school doesn't help either. I don't know of a whole lot of fellow college students who are capable of paying a bill, because all the practical knowledge isn't regarded as important to anyone but special ed students.
Btw, sorry to hear about your daughter. You raised her right and it's a shame that idiots like that kill off the few good people in existence.
11-01-2007, 03:21 PM
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Offensive. I fall in this group and I guess working as a mig welder all night then flying and taking classes is quite an easy way, full with gold fork on my silver platter. I work with a lot of older people that have no dirve. Every gen has these type of people. The older gens think your generation is lame and pathetic. My grandfather grew up in the depression and, even having over 1 mil saved, still thinks people should work 7 days a week and eat milk mush so they can save for 20 years of retirement. Most of you would disagree. Truth of the matter is there ARE people like that, of all ages. I see A LOT of people in their 30's spending 30 grand on ATP and other training centers, if they do that its ok. If a younger person does that, you're calling them everything in the book and saying they just want it quick, must be the "y" gereration.
11-02-2007, 08:06 AM
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It's not that they want the ratings done quick, heck I did accelerated flight training...it's those that thing everything should be handed to them on a silver platter. And if you pitched out the money for a 90 day program, and pay it back? Then your certainly not in that catagory. Receiving a scholarship takes hard work, it's not given to just anyone. Work hard and you shall receive. This is just a lucky time for people to make the break into the airlines, whether I agree a 250TT pilot should be in the cockpit is a different story. But if they get in, more power to them. But, there are those who give off that attitude that well since it's that time in the industry cycle again I should automatically get hired...and when they don't they complain that they'll have to instruct or what not forgetting that just a short time ago it was all but required to find a way to get 1000+ hours before you were even eligible let alone competitive at some places. Life just isn't that simple all the time, and there are mountains that get in the way. It's just up to you as to whether they remain mountains or you turn them into hills.
PLT, there's nothing wrong with the fact your parents put money into your education. As a parent, I'd do the same thing for my child...especially with the soaring prices of tuition. What I would not do is pay every single penny. Making them determine a budget, and start paying for things on their own is a pretty important life event. But, some parents elect to do that...and that's their right I suppose.
Crew, I also call B.S. on most of that stuff...but while you or I did not allow anyone to peer pressure us into doing something somebody else wanted, there are others who would. Whether it comes down to doing something just to be considered popular, or to make a team...people will do crazy things to be accepted. Is it right? No. Does it happen? Of course. Hell I was too busy skipping school to go flying to worry about such nonsense. (which doesn't fly as well in the principals office :-D )
A lot of it all comes down to having good common sense, which seems to be heading to h*ll in a handbasket rather quickly. Sure your going to see these attitudes in all generations, just like you have the good and bad in anything. I'm not one to slam down and judge someone personally, because I'm far from perfect, but while it's something that is and has always been in all generations - it's something I'm starting to see more often now in the younger generation.
PLT, there's nothing wrong with the fact your parents put money into your education. As a parent, I'd do the same thing for my child...especially with the soaring prices of tuition. What I would not do is pay every single penny. Making them determine a budget, and start paying for things on their own is a pretty important life event. But, some parents elect to do that...and that's their right I suppose.
Crew, I also call B.S. on most of that stuff...but while you or I did not allow anyone to peer pressure us into doing something somebody else wanted, there are others who would. Whether it comes down to doing something just to be considered popular, or to make a team...people will do crazy things to be accepted. Is it right? No. Does it happen? Of course. Hell I was too busy skipping school to go flying to worry about such nonsense. (which doesn't fly as well in the principals office :-D )
A lot of it all comes down to having good common sense, which seems to be heading to h*ll in a handbasket rather quickly. Sure your going to see these attitudes in all generations, just like you have the good and bad in anything. I'm not one to slam down and judge someone personally, because I'm far from perfect, but while it's something that is and has always been in all generations - it's something I'm starting to see more often now in the younger generation.
11-10-2007, 08:29 AM
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Bottom line is accountability. Not only did these kids grow up with parents who let them get away with murder, but it seems nobody is willing to step up once they are released to the world to straighten these kids out. In our litigious society stepping up often results in lawsuits based on someone's ego being hurt.
I mean look at these 20 something kids (pilots) walking around airports with their top button undone, hair spiked to the moon, iPod on, sunglasses on with a bookbag on their bag....I mean COME ON....that is totally inappropriate for what they are doing yet nobody steps up to say thats its not because who knows the consequences. Is it any wonder though that they are months out of college and still look like they are walking around campus? Just one example to illustrate the point............
I mean look at these 20 something kids (pilots) walking around airports with their top button undone, hair spiked to the moon, iPod on, sunglasses on with a bookbag on their bag....I mean COME ON....that is totally inappropriate for what they are doing yet nobody steps up to say thats its not because who knows the consequences. Is it any wonder though that they are months out of college and still look like they are walking around campus? Just one example to illustrate the point............
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