Repaying Student Loans..
#1
Thought this was an interesting article.
Student Lending Analytics Blog: What is The ROI on Flight School?
What is The ROI on Flight School?
I was struck by a few numbers from the article in the New York Times today ("Were They Just Paper Airplanes?"), namely $122,000 and $18,000. The $122,000 was the amount in private students loans that one student at TAB Express flight school in Deland, Florida had taken out prior to the school going belly up and leaving students with lots of debt and without a pilot's license. The tuition at the school ran $99,000 with living expenses adding about another $20,000 to the tab. The $18,000 is the salary that one of the Tab Express trainees is currently earning as a pilot for a regional airline.
In terms of what a starting pilot can expect to make, this article indicated that a first officer after five years at a regional airline was making $28,000. As a captain, she could expect to see her salary double. Here is what I found on a Baltimore Sun blog:
"My daughter is Captain on a regional jet. You are correct the starting wage is miserable considering the cost of her education. She is a graduate of Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. What you also have to consider is in the airlines everything is driven by seniority. You have to wait your turn. It took my daughter five years to get promoted to Captain. This doubled her wages. After five years as a First Officer, she was making about $28K. So there is no “quick increase” to the $50K mentioned in your write up. A beginning accountant starts at $40K without having to worry about million dollar equipment or people’s lives."
So, let's assume that this trainee's $122,000 private loan had a 10% interest rate and 20 year term. The annual repayment would come to a bit over $14,000/year, according to a FinAid student loan calculator. Hmm, entering a field where one can expect to be earning $28,000 after 5 years would seem to make this a loan destined for default. In fact, FinAid provides the following analysis with an estimate of the salary needed to repay this loan with a comfortable margin to cover other living expenses:
"It is estimated that you will need an annual salary of at least $141,279.60 to be able to afford to repay this loan. This estimate assumes that 10% of your gross monthly income will be devoted to repaying your student loans. This corresponds to a debt-to-income ratio of 0.9. If you use 15% of your gross monthly income to repay the loan, you will need an annual salary of only $94,186.40, but you may experience some financial difficulty.This corresponds to a debt-to-income ratio of 1.3."
As credit tightens for private loans for flight schools, I would expect that either flight schools will have to drastically lower their tuition rates to improve their ROI for students or they will go out of business as more potential students recognize the difficulty of justifying their investment in flight training given the nature of the compensation structure of this field.
I was struck by a few numbers from the article in the New York Times today ("Were They Just Paper Airplanes?"), namely $122,000 and $18,000. The $122,000 was the amount in private students loans that one student at TAB Express flight school in Deland, Florida had taken out prior to the school going belly up and leaving students with lots of debt and without a pilot's license. The tuition at the school ran $99,000 with living expenses adding about another $20,000 to the tab. The $18,000 is the salary that one of the Tab Express trainees is currently earning as a pilot for a regional airline.
In terms of what a starting pilot can expect to make, this article indicated that a first officer after five years at a regional airline was making $28,000. As a captain, she could expect to see her salary double. Here is what I found on a Baltimore Sun blog:
"My daughter is Captain on a regional jet. You are correct the starting wage is miserable considering the cost of her education. She is a graduate of Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. What you also have to consider is in the airlines everything is driven by seniority. You have to wait your turn. It took my daughter five years to get promoted to Captain. This doubled her wages. After five years as a First Officer, she was making about $28K. So there is no “quick increase” to the $50K mentioned in your write up. A beginning accountant starts at $40K without having to worry about million dollar equipment or people’s lives."
So, let's assume that this trainee's $122,000 private loan had a 10% interest rate and 20 year term. The annual repayment would come to a bit over $14,000/year, according to a FinAid student loan calculator. Hmm, entering a field where one can expect to be earning $28,000 after 5 years would seem to make this a loan destined for default. In fact, FinAid provides the following analysis with an estimate of the salary needed to repay this loan with a comfortable margin to cover other living expenses:
"It is estimated that you will need an annual salary of at least $141,279.60 to be able to afford to repay this loan. This estimate assumes that 10% of your gross monthly income will be devoted to repaying your student loans. This corresponds to a debt-to-income ratio of 0.9. If you use 15% of your gross monthly income to repay the loan, you will need an annual salary of only $94,186.40, but you may experience some financial difficulty.This corresponds to a debt-to-income ratio of 1.3."
As credit tightens for private loans for flight schools, I would expect that either flight schools will have to drastically lower their tuition rates to improve their ROI for students or they will go out of business as more potential students recognize the difficulty of justifying their investment in flight training given the nature of the compensation structure of this field.
#3
You know it's gonna be said, so I'll say it.
It's going to be a really long time before anyone upgrades in the regionals in 5 years. In fact, a lot of 9-11 year captains are being downgraded to FO (with FO pay!).
If you want to be an airline pilot, have another side business that funds your life and do the airline thing as an "extra job" (but still do it in a professional manner and be safe).
It's going to be a really long time before anyone upgrades in the regionals in 5 years. In fact, a lot of 9-11 year captains are being downgraded to FO (with FO pay!).
If you want to be an airline pilot, have another side business that funds your life and do the airline thing as an "extra job" (but still do it in a professional manner and be safe).
#5
And there’s the other side; one of my best friends got his private from a friend only paying for the plane. Joined a flight club ($25/hr dry Cherokee); same instructor received the OK to teach in the 140 which my friend used for his IR. Then he joined CAP and was quickly promoted. Used CAP to build time and then received permission to used their retract for his CPL. Went to ATP for his CPLME and paid for it out of his own pocket. Now he's almost finished with his CFI. Total out of pocket is less than $20K. Now he’s being paid to logging SIC in a PC-12 and Citation. In total he’s sitting at 4 years with a degree, all his ratings and he's approaching ATP mins.
All he did was hang out around the local FBO making friends with all the old-timers and was always willing to do anything anyone wanted. He’s also made several friends at UPS and has logged 10’s of hours in their Sims with an instructor. Add to it that he has solid contacts at SKW, 9E, AE, UPS, FL and DAL and you can easily see that he did it right way.
Total invested = <$20K
Total loans = ZERO
Unusual? Yes
Impossible? No
All he did was hang out around the local FBO making friends with all the old-timers and was always willing to do anything anyone wanted. He’s also made several friends at UPS and has logged 10’s of hours in their Sims with an instructor. Add to it that he has solid contacts at SKW, 9E, AE, UPS, FL and DAL and you can easily see that he did it right way.
Total invested = <$20K
Total loans = ZERO
Unusual? Yes
Impossible? No
#6
+1 top what JetJock says, no need to go deep into debt - the age of zero to hero in 90 days is gone.....thank goodness.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/p...070925259.html
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/p...070925259.html
#9
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Unfortunately for a lot of people who let the aviation bug bite them (myself included), they get antsy and impatient and want that license NOW.
Best thing to do, IMO after trudging through multiple loan and credit card payments, is to get into a decent paying career and pay for school on your own. Yeah, it'll take time and you may not like doing what you do, but there is security with that method.
There is a choice: Get loans, finish school and sit around for years hoping someone will call you back for a 1,200 a month job, or already have a career, no loan repayment, savings, etc.. and can comfortably transfer into a lower paying job for a while once you get your ratings.
Best thing to do, IMO after trudging through multiple loan and credit card payments, is to get into a decent paying career and pay for school on your own. Yeah, it'll take time and you may not like doing what you do, but there is security with that method.
There is a choice: Get loans, finish school and sit around for years hoping someone will call you back for a 1,200 a month job, or already have a career, no loan repayment, savings, etc.. and can comfortably transfer into a lower paying job for a while once you get your ratings.
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