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Old 03-12-2015 | 09:40 AM
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Your big numbers don't mean a thing. The national economy isn't your wife's checkbook. As Nixon said, we're all Keynesians now. It's been that way for three decades. Like it or not, the amount of debt is immaterial. It's entirely possible that the Keynesian machine is engulfing the global economy. Which, back to the point, means social security isn't going anywhere, it'll just have a more "shocking" number attached to it. Read a book. You're a Keynesian soldier in the national economic army. I don't like it either, but that's how it is
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Old 03-12-2015 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by downtownbrown
Your big numbers don't mean a thing. The national economy isn't your wife's checkbook. As Nixon said, we're all Keynesians now. It's been that way for three decades. Like it or not, the amount of debt is immaterial. It's entirely possible that the Keynesian machine is engulfing the global economy. Which, back to the point, means social security isn't going anywhere, it'll just have a more "shocking" number attached to it. Read a book. You're a Keynesian soldier in the national economic army. I don't like it either, but that's how it is

Great, all of our troubles are over, we can just have the gov print us each 100 million in fresh hundreds. After all, debt is meaningless.

The real debt exceeds 200 trillion including the present value of all social programs. Massive changes will eventually be forced on the world, but it won't be politicians doing it,it will be economic reality.

Keynes was careful to point out debt was acceptable during hard times but should be reduced under prosperous conditions. A simple and key fact ignored for the last few decades.

May I suggest a few books from the Austrian School of Economics if you really want to know the only possible ending ahead for our current situation.

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Old 03-12-2015 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Great, all of our troubles are over, we can just have the gov print us each 100 million in fresh hundreds. After all, debt is meaningless.

The real debt exceeds 200 trillion including the present value of all social programs. Massive changes will eventually be forced on the world, but it won't be politicians doing it,it will be economic reality.

Keynes was careful to point out debt was acceptable during hard times but should be reduced under prosperous conditions. A simple and key fact ignored for the last few decades.

May I suggest a few books from the Austrian School of Economics if you really want to know the only possible ending ahead for our current situation.
I'm with ya. I too am a Hayek man. But if everyone is hooked on the printing money/boosting aggregate demand, the ones who suffer are those trying to be responsible, so they are forced join the party sooner or later. I hope you're right, but I'm not seeing a way out. At what point do the numbers stop meaning anything?

I'm glad to see, though, that not everyone on this site is a moron. I was beginning to wonder!
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Old 03-14-2015 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Not mathematically possible in its current form.
They'll just keep raising the age on when you can collect. It'll still be around though.
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Old 03-14-2015 | 05:44 PM
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You can't print yourself out of debt, or into prosperity. Keynesian economics has never succeeded, in the end reality always wins.



Originally Posted by Loon
They'll just keep raising the age on when you can collect. It'll still be around though.
If you can never get it, does it really exist?
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Old 03-17-2015 | 05:34 PM
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Get all that you can, as soon as you can.
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Old 05-17-2015 | 05:10 AM
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Social Security? You mean I'm supposed to get that money back?
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Old 05-21-2015 | 04:42 AM
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While I do not agree with the fed's current monetary policy, the printing party will and can continue as long as the US has the world reserve currency. The petrodollar cycle also explains our interventionalist foreign policy and hostile relationship with Russia and China. As long as we live in a world economy that is carbon based and oil is priced in dollars, our "prosperity" will continue unabated.

Zimbabwe, The Wiemar Republic, and Argentina are all poor comparisons to the US because they never had control of the world reserve currency.
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