flyboy041

Why are people insist on comparing majors QOL and pay and retirement with Netjets? It’s apples and oranges. Netjets is subpar in all those categories.

flyboy041

Again you insist on telling lies. Name one person that left Netjets and gone back? Everyone I know who left Netjets wished they had left sooner.

Flyfalcons

I'm just answering questions, for better or worse. If people are looking for information on the company, then hearing it from an average worker bee is going to be helpful. If you need to make comparisons to make yourself feel better, then compare away.

dutchroller

Uh, what?

That’s not how this works... that’s not how any of this works.

If I wanted to make an unrealistic comparison, I’d say my November reserve schedule was like what all airline reserve was like.

I commute to reserve. This month, I took no vacation, dropped no trips, and used no sick time. I spent one night in the crash pad hotel and will have woken up in my bed at home 18-19 days in the month.
This month is better than normal, but 21 days gone a month has never happened.

I am not saying this to try to justify my decision to leave netjets or to try convince others to leave (or not go there). I just don’t want someone who might be thinking about choices to be as scared of commuting as I was before I actually did it.

The only thing I wish I still had that I had at netjets is the health insurance, but not at the cost of the pay difference. Even if gross salary was the same, the greater retirement contributions more than offset the expense of health insurance.



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Retractable

And nobody is judging you.

Retractable

Everyone YOU have spoken to is not everyone I have spoken to. That doesn’t make my contribution a lie. That makes it “not your experience” OR maybe one or of your buddies who made the move that you queued just didn’t what to get into it with you.

Many a cocktail party a NetJets pilot has been involved in with mixed airline company eventually ends up in heated discussion of how much and how often and similar conversations were having now. NetJets pilots know what we have. We also know what we don’t have and many of us are quite as happy as polar bears without pattern baldness. We just don’t want to get into the Richard Measuring contest with people who are our friends but too insecure to realize that what we have might be just as good as what they have... it’s just different and not for them or just and unknown to them.

Those that don’t understand must attack the unknown sometimes and then the cocktail party is over.

Some have experienced buyer’s remorse. Some said it was a wash and just accepted their decision.

Most should be happy if the circumstances actually led to a good move. Ie basing, etc.

Making a correlation, however, that everyone made the correct decision who moved to Florida who did so and assuming that those who stayed in Maine made a bad decision is fool-hearty and short sighted at best.

Some people hate heat and skin cancer and just prefer the cold.

DH2time

This convo will never end.

The facts, yes facts, all say financially the airlines are better. Major/legacy etc. There is not one fact that can ever be produced that indicates otherwise. After year 1 a 121 major/legacy will make more than an equally yeared NJA Pilot. Spreadsheet it out like I did and make it objective.

QOL all depends on how much you don’t want to commute. Is it worth 30K a year? 90K a year? 1.8M in retirement dollars? That’s up to the individual to decide. How many days do you want to work to make your income? How much you need in retirement? How hard you want work? Individual choices and completely subjective.

Research the math and pick what’s important to you and enjoy life and don’t look back. Don’t base your decision on some message board.

Lastly, if any pilot is at a cocktail party why would they be discussing what they do for a living. Discussing that shows a lack of imagination and fulfillment in ones life....the last part is my completely subjective opinion.

Twofiddyatten

Also, to tie in the relevance of the original thread. Don't base your decision to come to NJA on the fact upgrades are eventually going to hit the 6 year mark. About the only airline it takes longer than 6 years to hold captain in something, is SWA right now. And as of now, NJA plug junior captain is a 2006 hire.

Retractable

2/06 to be exact and there are 350 FOs in line to upgrade to the 2015 hire dates.

6 a month right now and I predict that number will double at least when AQP goes live 2Q 2020.

That reduces upgrade time for all 350 FOs remaining until the 2015 line is reached at just over 2.5 years tops.

Now that’s a plug.

That means that 2015 hires will see a 7 year upgrade. That’s right in line with Alaska.

Twofiddyatten

That is in line with Alaska when it is actually 7 years to work there but upgrades as of now is at 13 years so its a moot argument to make.

AQP won't increase the need for captains, so as per the usual, your predictions are wrong. Exactly ZERO airlines went to AQP to they could increase more captains. 100% of those companies went AQP so they could reduce training events and keep pilots on the line. That does not bode well for upgrades nor hiring off the street.