Netjets Hiring Mins
 

Hello guys!
Does anybody know if and when the new minimums will come into effect? Or will they just start automatically selecting apps according to those mins now?
Sitting at around 2200 hrs TT, and would like to know if I should send my app now. Thanks in advance!

The last I heard was mid Feb. Within a few hours of the new mins becoming official Im sure you will see it posted here. Best of luck to you.

Great! Thank you!

1500 TT but still need 250 ME, no?

I have not seen anything official, but what I have heard is 1,500TT, 250ME & 125IFR.

The new mins take affect 1 Feb per company weekly advisory.

Excellent!

Thanks for the info!

The mins per the weekly email.
ATP certificate or written exam (multi engine land)
1500 TT
250 hour fixed wing ME time
150 hours imc ( actual or simulated flight-exclude simulator)
I have posted the times per the weekly email. Hope this helps.

Thank you!

Does this mean that I could send in my app tomorrow?

I am at 2200 hrs TT with the rest of the new mins met and passed.

Yes, best of luck to you.

Excellent!

Thanks guys, I appreciate the help!

Exciting news.

Happy hunting to all applicants!

Are they still doing a sim eval during the interview?

Thanks

yes they are still doing a sim evaluation.

One really bad hire (with a fairly quick termination) will probably keep the sim eval on the table for quite a while unless NetJets goes to an abinitio scheme.

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Ok thank you!!!
Also, I believe I heard they went or are going to AQP training?

That is true. It is getting spooled up, but not all the way going yet. A couple of fleets are starting this year.

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The website still showed 2500TT this morning. I submitted anyway. Maybe the website just hasn’t caught up yet.

The company weekly email yesterday specifically said the mins would drop as of today. That said, it usually takes the entire company a while to be on the same page for changes. Good luck.

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Latitude and Sovereign start now.

The rest of the fleets remaining to stay on property should be in some phase of AQP phase in by the end of 2020.

Recurrently first followed by initials.

9 month training cycle, just like 121.

Gonna need to lower the mins since XO now pays way more then Netjets current PIC scale through at least year 5.


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Are you sure about that? If you are just looking at base pay I can see where you could say that. However when you look at the whole contract you will change your mind.

A yes, the contract as a hole and over a career is better then XO, mainly because there is a contract. But that doesn’t mean that Netjets base pay isn’t low (was before) but now a “competitor” and not just comparing NJ to the airlines mid paying very similar wages year 1 to what looks like close to year 7. 7 years is a long
Time to wait for the compensation that is deserved, let alone the 14 year upgrade still at Netjets.

The XO pay is also tied to TT in Type, which is different, and could pose a big pay cut regardless of YOS If the company decides to dispose the fleet you have all your time in.


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What does a year 1 pilot at NetJets make? What does a year 7 NetJets pilot make?

As for the upgrades you are right, 14 years is a long time. But the 14 year upgrade is for the pilots hired in 2005-2008. Unless something changes, pilots hired after 2015 will not be in the right seat for that long.

NetJets and the contract is still a work in progress. Time will tell how it all plays out.

No year 7 pilots exist at NJ, based on what a year 5 FO makes, XO wins by about 10-20k for similar days worked, all up. About year 8 it looks like the FO at NJ will finally pull ahead. But won’t catch up until most likely year 15ish Would be my guess.


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So you gonna jump over there? Or to those 700K widebody captain jobs you keep bringing up?

whats a year 5 FO make at XO? Are you using a 5 year captains salary at XO VS Netjets?

We are going to have to agree to disagree.

So the question that should be asked, are you looking for a 5 year stepping stone job, or are you looking for something longer than that?

Your numbers don’t add up.

Show them or put your ridiculous argument where it belongs; the trash.

All of us talk to XO pilots, have mutual friends and we know what each other makes.

To this day, no NetJets pilot has voluntarily gone to work at XO.

Must've applied too early or still not competitive, applied when I heard the mins were dropping and they said TBNT. A little less than 2000 TT, only 92 hours instrument though simulated and actual (no simulator).

I asked this question on the Flexjet thread but haven’t received an answer.

Can anyone tell me what the currency requirements at NJ are? For example what would be required following a 60, 90, or 120 day deployment with the Guard/Reserve?

It is called CQ (continuing qualification) and some operators use 12 month cycles, yes, even Captains.

Did you expect something else before you meet the mins?

It depends. If you missed a training event, you'd likely start with that. Otherwise, just back to the line.

The new minimums dropped, including instrument time, but that only dropped to 150 hours (simulated in airplane OK, flight simulator time not allowed in calculation). Get another 58 hours of actual or hood time and then try again. Good luck.

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Something caught my eye on this one. Are you saying some people mark down simulator time as instrument time? You specifically said NJA will not count it but that implies some people must....that’s jacked.

It must have happened because the company email was specific about it.

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Some might.

We do not appear to be on that track.

9 months. What other carriers do is not really my concern. What NetJets does.... is.

It has been determined that 9 month cycles is what we will do. Most carriers are on this same cycle program.

Considering NetJets is the first and only Part 135 carrier to be approved for AQP, I’m extremely proud of our training team and our executive and union leadership for supporting this initiative.

It will pay dividends... but it will pay in safety to be sure.

Boy bro, you MUST be management to be spouting like that. Extremely proud? Proud of what? You are a 135/91/91K operation that most people have never heard of. What you should be proud of is your family, your legacy, your network of friends, your life and not your employer.

They got approval to switch to continuing qualification for cost sake and the ability to lower staffing levels. Just like they got rid of that stupid 7 day company recurrent they had for years, cost savings and cost savings only. Most are 12 months but if you are 9 cool beans, means nothing in the grand scheme. Now of course 121 style training deserves 121 style pay though...maybe some better work rules. Maybe implementation of 117 test rules, there goes the 7 day trips and FDP pay...uh oh this can be the beginning of a slippery slope.

If they really cared about safety they would drop FSI and go in house. FSI, they train and check their own training, yup no conflict of interest there.

In addition to recurrent there are graduated levels of re-training that must be accomplished. I don't know all of the requirements but I know that there is a short IOE requirement starting with 90 days missed. I've taken a couple of 6mo LOAs that only required recurrent and about 7 days worth of IOE. At some point an initial is required (maybe at the 12 month mark?)