Not that difficult to figure out.

70+ XLs
30+ Sovereigns
10+ Gs

That’s over 100 airplanes that will be disposed in the coming years. Yes, they will be replaced by new airplanes, no doubt, but again, the net will not be that big. And as far as the pilots/plane, when I left it was around 5.3. Min contract is 5. So actually pretty easy to do the math.

Well, once the 5 pilots per airplane rule is in jeopardy, because too many senior pilots spontaneously turned to dust while enroute to Jackson, WY I will be ready. I’ve been in the queue for a final interview for awhile.

I’m assuming the company won’t shrink until it disappears.

I don’t think they can get much leaner, but as long as disposals equal or outpace new deliveries, you won’t see much hiring, unless people start leaving in droves. Unfortunately many folks at NJ have the proverbial golden handcuffs, and the job has improved over the years, so I don’t see many people leaving anytime within the next 10 years.

For some reason I thought you were implying you still worked there and had actual company information.

Having been there 15+ years, I have many good friends there, several in Training and Mgmt, so my info is pretty recent and pretty close to reality. You can choose to believe the info I just stated, or not, makes no difference to me, just providing some perspective.

I will keep my contact info up to date then. When they need pilots in 10 years, I will be ready.

No silly!! They will trickle hire continuously IMO. If I had to guess, 50-60 year for the time being. Keep up your persistence if you really want to work there. They do like people who REALLY want to work there.

I check in once per month with HR to let them know I’m ready. As long as she keeps replying, I will keep checking at the beginning of the month.

If I’m giving up a nice comfy E175 for a Phenom, it’s safe to assume I want the job.

Indeed!! Wish you the best obtaining the job, you seem to be the precise person they are looking for [emoji106]

It is still around 150 pilots fat. Now is that really "fat" perse? I wouldn't call it fat but with barely a net gain in airplanes for the foreseeable future, the only way you are getting hired is because of attrition. It will happen, dude, I know you want it, and hope you get it, but having massive growth with airplanes that equates to pilots, is pure fantasy.

In fact, they could easily park planes right now while flying demand is below target, which would further prevent hiring for the immediate future. NJA was strong enough to stay the course for the time being, which is great. That's way more than anyone could say in 2008, but it doesn't appear it would make much sense to expand and attack right now.

Not sure why anyone wouldn't believe it. Looking at fleet numbers versus the decline in pilot group size is a clear indication of such. It ain't rocket science here...

[QUOTE=C2078;3148143]Not that difficult to figure out.

70+ XLs
30+ Sovereigns
10+ Gs

That’s over 100 airplanes that will be disposed in the coming years. Yes, they will be replaced by new airplanes, no doubt, but again, the net will not be that big. And as far as the pilots/plane, when I left it was around 5.3. Min contract is 5. So actually pretty easy to do the math.[/QUOTE

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5.0. Read 1.5(C)(7). But who’s counting [emoji6]

they had around 2600ish pilots in 2015 before the recall started for the 495ers. Now they have around 2400ish. Not quite 1000 but still a large %

You’re right. 2600ish and 2400ish is nowhere near 1000.

Recalls finished up in 2015, btw.


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I was an almost 2800 seniority number when I was hired in 2015 and full classes were in motion. It crested 3,000 before it steadily dropped and is continuing to drop.

So, once they shrink down to 2300 that will be the magic number they will maintain?

There is currently a minimum of 5 pilots per airplane per the contract. The fleet fluctuates up and down and the company is currently at about 5.2 pilots per airplane. They make more money by operating with less so they will try to stay around 5 per airplane. If the company gets more airframes there will be more pilots needed once it gets down to 5 pilots per airplane and if they dispose of more, then they will let pilots keep leaving without replacement. They have said they want to go up over 500 airplanes in the US, but the growth has been stopped for now with Corona.

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NJ did not have 2800 pilots in 2015, and most definitely nowhere near 3000. See attached. This is the last page of NOV 2015 Seniority List, it only went down from there. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c7221a9a0c.jpg

Incorrect. We had 2777 in my class Feb of 2015. There were full classes after mine, almost the entire year.

Yeah, with actual evidence and it’s incorrect 🤦‍♂️. You keep thinking that...

2684 in NOV list, in black and white, yet you were 2777 and according to you they were hiring lots, yet the number is smaller. Must mean a crap load of people left between Feb and Nov, like 200+ according to your math.

We went over this already. 170 people on the list when you were in class were on furlough and not active. Many of them never returned.

From March to June it was full classes of 30 at least. Yes recalls wrere dropping off the lsit but the point still lies that the pilot group has been continuously shrinking.

Back then, 10-15 a month dropping off the seniority list was not crazy, I know because I watched it almost daily.

looks like you were 2771. You can still make out the name.

no way .....😂

When are the longitudes coming and how many?

Longitude is here. Not sure how many already and nobody knows how many there will be.

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Do many pilots want to transition to it? Is it a senior airplane?

Pays the same as all but the Global, Gulfstream, and 650 so probably not too many pilots bidding into it. That said, it will be very unlikely to get as a new hire. I would guess it would be easy to get after an initial seat lock was done for an SIC.

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Provided NetJets hires in the next ten years I guess.

Just too many "IFs" right now. I think the picture will start to clear a bit after this horrendous year is over.

Never give up, never surrender.

Provided we have a good beryllium sphere. 😉

If the Longitude pays like the 650 you’d think Latitude pilots who like the G5000 would be bidding it...

It doesn't pay like the 650, but I'm sure some will bid from the Latitude to the Longitude. I just don't think it will be that many. Even so, there will be a steady pipeline of Phenom SICs, Excel SICs, and Sovereign SICs who are off seatlock and interested in something new with a hope of Hawaii and Europe if they can get on the A team/ Bubba Club.

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Exactamundo.

Miners, not minors!

One of the best lines in that movie along with:

”Is there air?? You don’t know!”

I would wager a new hire would be looking at about ten years. But our F/O’s make more than most regional PIC’s after year 3 or 4, especially if you include benefits such as free medical care.

Our health insurance isn’t free. WE just don’t pay the premiums.


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