A huge PIC bid of more than 30 positions across multiple fleets just dropped. This is a shuffle some of us predicted would come after the company figured out how many were taking the signing bonus parting gift and 12 months of “free” healthcare to practice retirement for a year before actually pulling the plug. There were four of those just in my small fleet of fewer than 90 pilots.

The picture will be further clarified when the dust settles from the numbers that take the newly available 8-6 schedule starting in June.

Once those staffing questions are answered, they’ll decide whether they need more bodies. Might actually see a tiny bit of hiring before the end of the year if the collapse of Covid cases continues and international travel starts to improve this sumner.

Great info. Thanks for sharing. The tiny light at the end of the tunnel just got a little bigger.

The bid was actually for 41 PIC positions across 7 fleets and the company says to expect more bids. The idea is to compress re-training and aircraft heavy maintenance into the first half of the year in order to take advantage of what they believe will be a very busy second half of 2021.

Still a few large questions with Covid and the US/World economies yet to be answered that will be the deciding factors.

When they retire those old birds, you are welcome to scrunch down in the mighty Phenom with me. I'd pay good money to see you in there....knees by your ears....:D

Love to fly with you amigo but I'd look like Bill Walton on a Big Wheel in that thing...

Even though it sounds like friendly banter, if that is true with your knees, you will fit test out. [emoji13]

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Although you're right about never fitting in the Phenom, given that yesterday's bid result means I'm now senior to the most junior Global PIC, I'm not too worried about ever needing to take the test...

That is definitely a good thing. [emoji106]

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I would suggest making the jump to the Global soon. I have flown with more than one Global Captain who didn't depart the BBJ for the G-IVs when they could have and then got stuck in the Sovereign for 8 years when bids dried up. While it is unlikely for Global bids to go completely away for quite some time, one never knows what will happen and you would also probably get a lot more international flying, if that is what you like, by the time you get done with training.

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Tempting, but, no. I'm riding this pony until it founders.

International flying on this gig is no longer an enticing thing.

Out of curiosity, how many hours are you Netjets pilots flying per tour? I know tour lengths vary, so feel free to include that info.

I’m on the 7/7 Latitude, I always averaged in the high teens to low 20’s. Lately I’ve been averaging around 27 hours per tour.

I’m in the phenom, typically low 20’s to low 30’s.

Good morning. Now that NetJets has officially come out and said they plan to hire 150 pilots by the end of they year, does anyone have any prediction on upgrade times going forward? I know no one has a crystal ball, but the current 10-15 years is my only reservation before I hit submit on the application.

We could double in size in a span of two years. Or we could pause hiring for many years immediately after you get hired. Both scenarios have happened in the last 20 years. If you want to work here, then apply. Take the upgrade when it comes your way in a job that most are making a good career out of. If a fast upgrade is what you are after, there are other places where that is more of a sure thing.

Trust me I understand the reservation on the upgrade time as I am living it. Ask yourself this, why do people stick around NetJets as SICs for 15 years and not leave to chase the quick upgrade? Maybe because they get paid well and have a QOL that they can live with. Upgrade times will probably drop to the 10 year point by 2025.

There will probably be around 1000 retirements/ medical outs over the next decade since pilots make enough to save well now and the average pilot here is now mid 50s. With somewhere around 2350 pilots currently, even if NetJets stays the same size, 10 years will probably get an upgrade if hired now. If we truly grow, then it could be faster. That said, SIC here is a pretty descent job.

I would probably still go for the majors or cargo if I was young and looking for my next/ last step up. You can make pretty good money now at NetJets, but you are definitely going to earn it. You will straight up work a lot harder here than at the majors or cargo. There are definitely good things that NetJets offers that you don't have at the majors or cargo, but I still don't believe they outweigh the QOL you will give up. The Globals and whatever is next for biggest/ bestest will still take forever to get into, even as an SIC, and that is the only descent QOL within NetJets.

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Yeah no doubt those other avenues make more sense. However my family doesn't really want to move and I'm not in a very commutable location for 121, so this is my main draw to Netjets.

The no commute is definitely the biggest thing we have. I like my job. I like not having to commute and that was a big part of what drew me to NetJets (though I did have to spend a couple of years in CMH, I still knew I would have a choice before too long). Good luck.

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