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Old 06-05-2024, 11:07 AM
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Is it true the company just announced they are suing the union?
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Old 06-05-2024, 12:35 PM
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Is it true the company just announced they are suing the union?
Yes.

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Old 06-05-2024, 12:59 PM
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For what reason?
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Old 06-05-2024, 01:38 PM
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For what reason?
Their feelings got hurt.
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Old 06-07-2024, 08:32 PM
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Here's an article about it:

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ource=hs_email
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Old 06-08-2024, 10:23 AM
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After reading the article, it looks like one of the major points of contention is the hire of relatively low time pilots. I wonder if, even if the lawsuit ends up in nothing, this will trickle down to raising the minimums away from R-ATP again. As a prospective R-ATP applicant soon myself, this doesnt make me very hopefull.
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Old 06-09-2024, 04:33 AM
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After reading the article, it looks like one of the major points of contention is the hire of relatively low time pilots. I wonder if, even if the lawsuit ends up in nothing, this will trickle down to raising the minimums away from R-ATP again. As a prospective R-ATP applicant soon myself, this doesnt make me very hopefull.
It is very unlikely to lead to higher minimums again, unless maybe the economy tanks and the airlines stop or massively slow their hiring. The company cheaped out on the new contract and won't be able to attract enough higher experienced pilots to fill the hiring requirements. If this is the job you really want, go for it at the minimums.
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It is very unlikely to lead to higher minimums again, unless maybe the economy tanks and the airlines stop or massively slow their hiring. The company cheaped out on the new contract and won't be able to attract enough higher experienced pilots to fill the hiring requirements. If this is the job you really want, go for it at the minimums.
"The company cheaped out on the new contract..."

Name one airline that proposes an AIP where the company will pay more than they need to.

NetJets behaves no differently than the airlines. NJASAP and the NJA pilot group behave much differently, however.

Lanyards and provocative billboards pacify the pilot group (although perhaps at a high cost, considering current legal battles), but they didn't do much to increase leverage. Unpopular opinion, but the biggest enemy of NJA pilots are NJA pilots.

The constant projection of frustration and anger onto other union members and management has been occuring for a decade now.

Pathetic. It's not the fault of management or dissenting pilots that NJASAP has been destroying leverage for years so NJASAP leadership can keep their positions.

Crappy tradeoff for the group, no?

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Old 06-09-2024, 08:02 AM
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"The company cheaped out on the new contract..."

Name one airline that proposes an AIP where the company will pay more than they need to.

NetJets behaves no differently than the airlines. NJASAP and the NJA pilot group behave much differently, however.

Lanyards and provocative billboards pacify the pilot group (although perhaps at a high cost, considering current legal battles), but they didn't do much to increase leverage. Unpopular opinion, but the biggest enemy of NJA pilots are NJA pilots.

The constant projection of frustration and anger onto other union members and management has been occuring for a decade now.

Pathetic. It's not the fault of management or dissenting pilots that NJASAP has been destroying leverage for years so NJASAP leadership can keep their positions.

Crappy tradeoff for the group, no?

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Do you really think the NETJET pilots would have secured this last agreement if it were not for the pathetic antics of NJASAP? Berkshire has a long history of gutting labor much less paying industry standard wages. Airlines are publicly held companies. Comparing Airline management to NetJets is apples to oranges.
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Old 06-09-2024, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
"The company cheaped out on the new contract..."

Name one airline that proposes an AIP where the company will pay more than they need to.

NetJets behaves no differently than the airlines. NJASAP and the NJA pilot group behave much differently, however.

Lanyards and provocative billboards pacify the pilot group (although perhaps at a high cost, considering current legal battles), but they didn't do much to increase leverage. Unpopular opinion, but the biggest enemy of NJA pilots are NJA pilots.

The constant projection of frustration and anger onto other union members and management has been occuring for a decade now.

Pathetic. It's not the fault of management or dissenting pilots that NJASAP has been destroying leverage for years so NJASAP leadership can keep their positions.

Crappy tradeoff for the group, no?

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This is spot on.

NJASAP and the pilot group are the problem. Management will give just enough to pass a contract and nothing more, and that is true of all airline management as well. Where it really differs is the message of NJASAP and how it leverages its position against management. NJASAP spent lots of money to publicly tarnish the experience level of the pilot group. This lawsuit isn't really that crazy from management. NJASAP and the pilot group typically have little leverage and this round was no different. Imagine an airline union making billboards and taking out Wall Street Journal ads about how crappy, inexperienced, and poorly trained their pilots are. What is insanity at every other union shop seems to be par for the course for NJASAP.
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