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blindfayth 05-09-2018 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by deftone (Post 2590466)
Pay was cut a few weeks ago. 15-20% depending on airframe/seat. There is more info in the thread in the 135 section of the forum. The Chief Pilot just left also.

So the 135 side took a hit, and the 121 side got a pay raise? Am I reading everything correctly?

BushBuster69 05-09-2018 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by blindfayth (Post 2590482)
So the 135 side took a hit, and the 121 side got a pay raise? Am I reading everything correctly?

Yes.

Filler.

Rangi 05-10-2018 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Ak1900 (Post 2589965)
with the insane amount of movement at the company.. ..

How come?

Hardly anyone let go of the left when I was there, and if they did the replacements came in from H6 and bumped everyone down in seniority. Unless H6 is running out of 10+ year folks, what has changed? Why the attrition?

Ak1900 05-10-2018 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Rangi (Post 2590694)
How come?

Hardly anyone let go of the left when I was there, and if they did the replacements came in from H6 and bumped everyone down in seniority. Unless H6 is running out of 10+ year folks, what has changed? Why the attrition?

Lots of captains leaving for Alaska / Atlas / ABX. 7/8 last year, 5 or so this year so far.

tengssuuciurta 05-10-2018 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Ak1900 (Post 2590962)
Lots of captains leaving for Alaska / Atlas / ABX. 7/8 last year, 5 or so this year so far.

FOs are going to Atlas as well.

Akpilot07 05-13-2018 09:15 AM

Don’t go to Ravn. It’s a sinking ship. Moral is ridiculously low. Upgrades in the Dash are still in the 4-5yr range. They cut everyone’s pay except Dash 8 FO pay. Captains took between a 6-21k pay cut. QOL isn’t that great. Considering how expensive it is to live in Anchorage, the pay wasn’t that fantastic to begin with and now it’s unjustifiable to stay. They are still losing pilots and employees from all groups like crazy. They have captains going to other regionals in the lower 48 to get out and first officers going wherever they can. Some are even getting out of the industry all together.

A ramper wrote this last week right before they quit on the spot. Sums everything up pretty well:

Morale is at an alarmingly low rate. 2/3rds of our mission statement is disregarded by the company. Employee pride is minimally existent. Customer satisfaction is rampantly on the decline. If you bring up these issues, you’re labeled a bad seed that is just negative or unprofessional.. regardless of how well you word it.

Cut hours, false promises, increasingly added duties without any incentive. Leaders that do not promote growth in employees but rather belittle them behind their backs out of fear.

Ravn has intelligent, hard-working employees who have sacrificed a lot for this company. Many of which actually used to really enjoy working here. Many of which are under-appreciated and taken for granted because we’re all replaceable. If you want a company based on the ability to be replaced, all you’ll ever have is nameless/faceless people because they will be always changing.

Ground crew, pilots, flight attendants etc., people in the field doing the work are the front lines. We have been bled and bruised and when we turn to ask for support from our leaders, we’re just pushed further into the battlefield. When is it time to stop marching and demand competency & compassion from our leadership?

I'm saying what countless employees feel, but who aren’t in a position to speak up. I’m young, ambitious, intelligent and hard-working.. and I’ll be damned if I continue to waste it on a company that doesn’t provide any proof that it cares.

Constructive criticism is an important tool for a leader to establish positive growth in an employee. Discretely bashing them not only derails the boundaries of trust, but also exposes a serious flaw in the character of the leader. Just to be clear, these feelings are not stemming from my current manager.

Great leadership would never sacrifice the people to save the numbers. They would sooner sacrifice the numbers to save the people.

Much love and respect to my friends across the company. Best of luck.

clearandcold 05-13-2018 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Akpilot07 (Post 2593015)
They have captains going to other regionals in the lower 48 to get out and first officers going wherever they can. Some are even getting out of the industry all together.

Seems like a strange time to get out of aviation if you are a pilot.

blindfayth 05-14-2018 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Akpilot07 (Post 2593015)
Don’t go to Ravn. It’s a sinking ship. Moral is ridiculously low. Upgrades in the Dash are still in the 4-5yr range. They cut everyone’s pay except Dash 8 FO pay. Captains took between a 6-21k pay cut.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but looking at the pay scale for corvus, it looks like Year 1 captains make $95/hr, year 4 is $101/hr.

Is that a 6-21k pay cut?

Or are you talking about captains on the 135 side taking a 6-21k pay cut? Seems like the Corvus (121) side is doing fine, pay wise, isn't it?

I have no idea, though. I'm just an outsider looking in.

tengssuuciurta 05-14-2018 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Akpilot07 (Post 2593015)
Don’t go to Ravn. It’s a sinking ship. Moral is ridiculously low. Upgrades in the Dash are still in the 4-5yr range. They cut everyone’s pay except Dash 8 FO pay. Captains took between a 6-21k pay cut. QOL isn’t that great. Considering how expensive it is to live in Anchorage, the pay wasn’t that fantastic to begin with and now it’s unjustifiable to stay. They are still losing pilots and employees from all groups like crazy. They have captains going to other regionals in the lower 48 to get out and first officers going wherever they can. Some are even getting out of the industry all together.

A ramper wrote this last week right before they quit on the spot. Sums everything up pretty well:

Morale is at an alarmingly low rate. 2/3rds of our mission statement is disregarded by the company. Employee pride is minimally existent. Customer satisfaction is rampantly on the decline. If you bring up these issues, you’re labeled a bad seed that is just negative or unprofessional.. regardless of how well you word it.

Cut hours, false promises, increasingly added duties without any incentive. Leaders that do not promote growth in employees but rather belittle them behind their backs out of fear.

Ravn has intelligent, hard-working employees who have sacrificed a lot for this company. Many of which actually used to really enjoy working here. Many of which are under-appreciated and taken for granted because we’re all replaceable. If you want a company based on the ability to be replaced, all you’ll ever have is nameless/faceless people because they will be always changing.

Ground crew, pilots, flight attendants etc., people in the field doing the work are the front lines. We have been bled and bruised and when we turn to ask for support from our leaders, we’re just pushed further into the battlefield. When is it time to stop marching and demand competency & compassion from our leadership?

I'm saying what countless employees feel, but who aren’t in a position to speak up. I’m young, ambitious, intelligent and hard-working.. and I’ll be damned if I continue to waste it on a company that doesn’t provide any proof that it cares.

Constructive criticism is an important tool for a leader to establish positive growth in an employee. Discretely bashing them not only derails the boundaries of trust, but also exposes a serious flaw in the character of the leader. Just to be clear, these feelings are not stemming from my current manager.

Great leadership would never sacrifice the people to save the numbers. They would sooner sacrifice the numbers to save the people.

Much love and respect to my friends across the company. Best of luck.

I thought the letter was dumb. If making lasting changes is someone's goal, nobody at management is going to care about some poorly written letter from a ramper who quit.

blindfayth 05-16-2018 09:11 AM

What also seems weird is that one has to pay for ATP/CTP out of pocket first, and then they reimburse you 5000 (which I'm guessing will be taxed) after you finish IOE.


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