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boeingsky 11-05-2013 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1513874)
I totally forgot about them I'd say that's a better alternative than what you've listed.

I have talked to commute air. They will not interview me with the RAH experience on my record.

boeingsky 11-05-2013 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by Chrisw (Post 1513886)
Ok boengsky. Half the people you are getting advice from here quit and went elsewhere but much of what they say is true. The Saab training is severely shortened. Less sim and less ground school time. Nearly half of what others did in the past on the same bird. That being said, it used to be about 10% of people that couldn't get through. Now with the stellar quality of candidate we attract I have heard rumors less than half get through. If you study hard and actually know how to fly IFR, do a V1 cut, ask for checklists, and remember to add power when you get an engine failure or shut one down due to fire, you will be good. It ain't rocket science. It truly is that simple. Something breaks and lights go on and bells go off, "give me the _____________ QRC/QRH please." Then sit back and watch the pilot monitoring flip some switches while Bob(autopilot) flies.



Thank you Chrisw. Thats what I am saying. I know the drill and how to play the game. This really is not rocket science at all. and if pilots that got hired with 400 hours can go through it I am confident that I with 1700 can lol. I will look at Air Wisconsin tho. someone messaged me and said their interview window reopened recently.

boeingsky 11-05-2013 10:41 AM

O and so as i am not miss interpreted I am not one of these cocky students right out of flight school. I am 23 years old and the only way I have been able to get to the point i am with my flying, is by learning and listening to pilots that had much more experience than myself, And its because I have been blessed with these great mentors I have the flying skills i have today.

bonesbrigade 11-05-2013 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by boeingsky (Post 1513891)
I have talked to commute air. They will not interview me with the RAH experience on my record.

If you never took a checkride, then why does your PRIA show that you had a failed training experience?

A guy at Colgan in my class did 8 extra sims on the Saab before the CP called him and suggested he voluntarily quit before they took more drastic action.

If what you have said is totally true, I contest that you were not failed out of training. Also you need to check into the RAH contract and see what it says about additional training/sim events.

Subsequently, the guy who Colgan asked to leave, one year later was hired at RAH and passed 170 training, and he was an absolute joke of a pilot.

Cruz5350 11-05-2013 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by boeingsky (Post 1513895)
Thank you Chrisw. Thats what I am saying. I know the drill and how to play the game. This really is not rocket science at all. and if pilots that got hired with 400 hours can go through it I am confident that I with 1700 can lol. I will look at Air Wisconsin tho. someone messaged me and said their interview window reopened recently.

Ok I might be harsh here but follow along. If you know the drill and it's not rocket science how come with all your hours you didn't make it through RAH on a much easier plane to fly? Everybody learns at different paces as we all know but you're trying to imply that because you have 1700 hours (not many at all) grew up in aviation got your Private early on and flew in the NE not sunny FL you're somehow better than 400hr guys? Mind you many 400hr guys made it through RAH's and other more difficult programs but with all your experience you didn't....

What Chrisw said is valid, but mind you he also went through the 1900 program before Saab, he had a good hand flying foundation down pat before hand and was also indoctrinated in the 121 flying environment before going through transition as did I which helped immensely in the switch to the Saab. You say you are used to flying equipment like the Saab I'm assuming you are correlating the fact that you flew non/partial glass 6 packs and turbo props which is great and a lot more similar than the 170 you started training on but the glass is there to help not hinder so just because this is similar to what you have it's not going to be anymore easier.

I think it's more an attitude problem in keeping you back from excelling rather than an actual deficiency in skills many of us have been there done that in regards to that department as have I fix that first and you'll have a chance at passing training.

GearOperator 11-05-2013 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Temocil27 (Post 1512863)
I could tell everyone here

I dare you

sandrich 11-05-2013 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1513934)

What Chrisw said is valid, but mind you he also went through the 1900 program before Saab, he had a good hand flying foundation down pat before hand and was also indoctrinated in the 121 flying environment before going through transition as did I which helped immensely in the switch to the Saab.

The 3am walks to Ansari's in the snow, and barbecue turkeys in the hotel lobby in MSP for Thanksgiving definitely help.

SlowATRDriver 11-05-2013 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1513934)
Ok I might be harsh here but follow along. If you know the drill and it's not rocket science how come with all your hours you didn't make it through RAH on a much easier plane to fly? Everybody learns at different paces as we all know but you're trying to imply that because you have 1700 hours (not many at all) grew up in aviation got your Private early on and flew in the NE not sunny FL you're somehow better than 400hr guys? Mind you many 400hr guys made it through RAH's and other more difficult programs but with all your experience you didn't.... .

This is coming from a guy that failed 4 check rides. I understand you made it through Silver training and now you are working at a "mainline", so that's where you are attitude comes from.

You call 170 a much easier airplane and yet you couldn't cut it through on a Cessna 152. IIRC, you I remember you struggling to get a job once.

Be a little humble and never forget where YOU came from.

Cruz5350 11-05-2013 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 1514037)
This is coming from a guy that failed 4 check rides. I understand you made it through Silver training and now you are working at a "mainline", so that's where you are attitude comes from.

You call 170 a much easier airplane and yet you couldn't cut it through on a Cessna 152. IIRC, you I remember you struggling to get a job once.

Be a little humble and never forget where YOU came from.

Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong suit... I said attitude is everything and realizing how and why I failed is the reason why I've been successful in my airline career. I'm basing a 170 off of the many people I know who fly them and came from Silver and said it was an easy transition. I never forgot where I came from and what it took to get here and you'll surely never see me brag about being anything special. I simply laid out reasonable expectations for this hopeful Silver candidate and even see a little of myself in him. Why else would I come here and specifically post info for him? Everyone on this board struggled to get a job once and just because I made it outta there doesn't mean squat.

Salukipilot4590 11-05-2013 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 1514037)
This is coming from a guy that failed 4 check rides. I understand you made it through Silver training and now you are working at a "mainline", so that's where you are attitude comes from.

You call 170 a much easier airplane and yet you couldn't cut it through on a Cessna 152. IIRC, you I remember you struggling to get a job once.

Be a little humble and never forget where YOU came from.

Shots fired!


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