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200Driver 11-14-2013 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Bassman1985 (Post 1518737)
With the way the CBA lays out Staffing Bid procedure, this will most likely result in the downgrading of many junior CAs in favor of senior FOs getting upgrades. Don't count on using displacement rights to hold your seat, they are only as good as your seniority. I wouldn't doubt that many DECs will likely quit rather than accept demotion. This could get messy. I had a feeling a few months back when they did the SB in July that the reason they were waiting to move people was that this one was coming. No point in paying moving expenses when they were just going to do a major reshuffle a few months down the road.

You seem to forget they have 12 months to implement the staffing bid. I don't think any DEC's will actually see the right seat, possible but doubt it. I believe DP is pretty smart and will keep his DEC's and award some upgrades to give hope and fill a few CA slots. Then when Silver starts growing again they will upgrade as appropriate and the seniority list will work itself out over the next 12 months or so.

dmncnpilot 11-15-2013 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by 200Driver (Post 1520195)
You seem to forget they have 12 months to implement the staffing bid. I don't think any DEC's will actually see the right seat, possible but doubt it. I believe DP is pretty smart and will keep his DEC's and award some upgrades to give hope and fill a few CA slots. Then when Silver starts growing again they will upgrade as appropriate and the seniority list will work itself out over the next 12 months or so.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Way too much sense. Stop that...

sandrich 11-15-2013 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by dmncnpilot (Post 1520576)
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Way too much sense. Stop that...

Yea you can get fired for that kind of sh!t around here... But I do agree with the man... Everything north of GNV will become like a normal airline over the next 8-12 months. FL will always be full of lifers. But, all the junior DECs are already starting to bail, and will create CA vacancies for the middle level FOs to upgrade. The white elephant in the room-- you can't become a captain if you have no one to be your FO.

jsfBoat 11-15-2013 12:27 PM

Will it be worth it to stay then?

Salukipilot4590 11-15-2013 12:48 PM

So how's everyone liking their reserve grievance payout money?

Oh wait...

Cruz5350 11-15-2013 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1520684)
Yea you can get fired for that kind of sh!t around here... But I do agree with the man... Everything north of GNV will become like a normal airline over the next 8-12 months. FL will always be full of lifers. But, all the junior DECs are already starting to bail, and will create CA vacancies for the middle level FOs to upgrade. The white elephant in the room-- you can't become a captain if you have no one to be your FO.

I only know of a few who've left in the last 6 months out of the dozens there.

sandrich 11-15-2013 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1520716)
I only know of a few who've left in the last 6 months out of the dozens there.

Probably because you don't work here anymore... I know of 5 or 6 in the IAD system alone that have left within the past month or are in the process of leaving

dmncnpilot 11-15-2013 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by jsfBoat (Post 1520698)
Will it be worth it to stay then?

Who knows jsfBoat. You're going to have to really write everything down and do the good ole' Pro's and Con's list. Make your decision and don't look back. Silver upgrade is a gamble, who knows if DEC's are going to leave soon, that depends on a lot of factors, but one thing is for sure, other than the FL lifers I haven't met one DEC that wants to stay here. This place SUCKS! Ask yourself if you're happy now. Are you close to upgrade? Are you willing to stay here and deal with the bs?

dmncnpilot 11-15-2013 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1520757)
Probably because you don't work here anymore... I know of 5 or 6 in the IAD system alone that have left within the past month or are in the process of leaving

DEC's???

stupid 10 character, blah

Chrisw 11-15-2013 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1520684)
Yea you can get fired for that kind of sh!t around here... But I do agree with the man... Everything north of GNV will become like a normal airline over the next 8-12 months. FL will always be full of lifers. But, all the junior DECs are already starting to bail, and will create CA vacancies for the middle level FOs to upgrade. The white elephant in the room-- you can't become a captain if you have no one to be your FO.

Herein lies the problem. We need to be able to hire and graduate 20 people a month for 3 months to catch up. The 5 or 6 out of 20 that get through means we are not catching up.


Originally Posted by dmncnpilot (Post 1520766)
DEC's???

stupid 10 character, blah

Direct entry captain.


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