Silver Airways
02-09-2014 | 07:28 PM
#5391
Respek
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The majority of the pilot group currently at Silver chose to participate in the PFT program when Gulfstream was still around..... Their mindsets on what's good or bad for them will be way different than someone who chose not to drop tens of thousands of dollars to jump right into the airlines.
02-09-2014 | 07:38 PM
#5392
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The problem isn't the LOA or the union...it's the 51% of the pilot group that's dumb enough to believe whatever BS the union feeds them to get them to vote it through. Because let's face it, a good part of the seniority list will either have trouble getting/don't want jobs at other carriers, so they'll do whatever it takes to make sure they still have a job. A lot of the senior guys are b*tching and moaning because they will no longer be able to rape the company of money when they duty out at 12:01 and get an extra six hours of pay, or they refuse to do a sim session at 3am... Meanwhile guys up north just want to be able to go see their families every 4 or 5 days, not once a month.... Silver-stream for the win.
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02-09-2014 | 07:49 PM
#5393
Respek
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The problem isn't the LOA or the union...it's the 51% of the pilot group that's dumb enough to believe whatever BS the union feeds them to get them to vote it through. Because let's face it, a good part of the seniority list will either have trouble getting/don't want jobs at other carriers, so they'll do whatever it takes to make sure they still have a job. A lot of the senior guys are b*tching and moaning because they will no longer be able to rape the company of money when they duty out at 12:01 and get an extra six hours of pay, or they refuse to do a sim session at 3am... Meanwhile guys up north just want to be able to go see their families every 4 or 5 days, not once a month.... Silver-stream for the win.
02-09-2014 | 08:32 PM
#5395
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Well to be honest that's why it has to be put to a vote. They think it's a good contract, and I don't fault them for thinking that since it took effort to get what they got, but it's not a good contract for me...this is why I'm going to tell them no (via a no vote). I'm not going to crucify the poor guy(s) because this LOA stinks (IMHO), just going to play the game.
Remember, the we are the union and as has been beaten to death multiple times... Teamsters is from the bottom up.
Personally, I'm concerned that they would offer up something so major in terms of QoL for those of us who either commute or have families without consulting the pilot group as a who (survey anyone?).
02-09-2014 | 09:17 PM
#5396
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From: Gear Handle supervisor
The majority of the pilot group currently at Silver chose to participate in the PFT program when Gulfstream was still around..... Their mindsets on what's good or bad for them will be way different than someone who chose not to drop tens of thousands of dollars to jump right into the airlines.
02-10-2014 | 04:34 AM
#5397
Scary...Scary...
Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Rollin' Down tha 405
Taking action when the union negotiators or leaders do not speak for the pilot group as a whole is playing the game. Last time a union rep tried to sell me a crap sandwich like this, we started a recall process. Not saying that is what we need to do in this situation, but simply an example.
Remember, the we are the union and as has been beaten to death multiple times... Teamsters is from the bottom up.
Personally, I'm concerned that they would offer up something so major in terms of QoL for those of us who either commute or have families without consulting the pilot group as a who (survey anyone?).
Remember, the we are the union and as has been beaten to death multiple times... Teamsters is from the bottom up.
Personally, I'm concerned that they would offer up something so major in terms of QoL for those of us who either commute or have families without consulting the pilot group as a who (survey anyone?).
We could argue until we're blue in the face about what SHOULD have been done but what we need to focus on right now is educating those who don't see this as a bad deal.
There is definitely a disconnect between our union leadership and a large portion of our pilot group, that's for sure. We'll have to address that at a later time.
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