Known Crew Member for Part 135
 

New to the forum so will post here and in 135. Just saw Known Crewmember is now open to all pilots flying for 135s. Sounds like a great deal and can now be used on or off duty (no uniform requirement) at almost 60 airports. Looks like each company needs to apply. Any feedback out there? Says screening time is 15 seconds or less and gets us completely out of passenger and other employee lines. Thanks in advance.

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Wow non CASS pilots can now use known crew member? Unbelievable.

Known Crewmember
 

What is next ? 135 pilots bumping a 121 pilot that is trying to go work ???

And there you have it folks... the comment of a prepubescent first officer.:rolleyes:

prepubescent,,, Nice word. May have to borrow that one.

Actually, some 135 operators ARE in CASS.

I just recieved my KCM badge as a 135 guy. I dont really understand the hatred. I have the most up to date background check and credentials. Any other person standing in the regular pax security line doesnt. Why shouldnt I be able to have a little privilege TSA access when I fly the airlines??

If you don't work for the airlines you should not be extended the privilege of KCM. I also don't think KCM should be open to flight attendants.

Why ?
Be specific.

Actually, at my company, yes. But we are trying to go to work too.

wow... who died and made you God?

Got my badge today! I hope i get in line right ahead of you next time i commute. You will be able to recognize me, im the one not acting like God

Because it's a union negotiated benefit.

Because ANYONE can become a FA in 4 weeks.

You know that KCM was mostly if not all the work of ALPA, right? So if you aren't represented by ALPA, you shouldn't be allowed KCM privileges? I think that's a little short-sighted, but maybe that's just me.

Great maybe I can come over to the FBO, swipe my airline badge, eat some free popcorn and shoot the bull with the CEO now?!?

I am now a 121 guy, but was a 135 guy a few months ago. We were the first 135 company approved for KCM. I don't see the big deal.. KCM was not approved because the TSA bowed to ALPA, rather ALPA made TSA realize it is a worthy program. Obviously unless all background checks are passed you will not be eligible for the program.
There is just no reason to be up in arms about 135 guys using KCM. I think some 121 guys are just on an ego power trip.

Have at it. Do you really think any one in an FBO cares what regulations you fly under?

Actually no power trip. Do you think it would be easier for a terrorist to get a job flying for a dirtbag 135 operator or flying a 121 airliner? So with KCM said pilot now has access to the sterile terminal with a weapon. Not a good idea and for the record I don't think airline FAs should have access either. In 4 weeks, anyone can become a cart donkey.

Awww, the poor 121 guys are getting all butt hurt over this. Grow up, children!

I will admit that I did not know that it was an ALPA negotiated benefit. But I am kind of surprised of the backlash from some of you 121 guys. I had fingerprinting done and a thorugh background check done, same as airline pilots do when they first get hired. Am I really invading 'your space' in the TSA for the 15 seconds it takes to go through??

If we are going to play the what if game... your a dirt bag operator could a buy a Gulfstream and said terrorist pilot would have command of an aircraft the size of a regional jet. And what is to stop a dirt bag 121 operator from getting KCM? If you think 121 is some barrier to terrorist pilots, then you don't know how desperate regional carriers are for pilots.

Also, 135 companies have been allowed SIDA badges long before KCM was around. A SIDA badge can give you more access than KCM.

Lol!!! It's a TON easier to get a job at Go Jet than it is at Net Jets!!! (Or in my case it was CitationAir)

Cart donkey?? Yikes. You ARE on a power trip.

TSA has the same background check for 135 operators as it does for 121 operators. Who really gives a rats behind whether a 135 guy is granted KCM access or not?

A lot of benefits in aviation come from other sources.
Should certain sectors of aviation not get the benefit of advanced avionics or safety features because they were funded or tested in a different sector of aviation?

I bet this guy is a real treat to fly with on a 4 day. He's acting like if you go through the KCM line that you don't have to send your luggage through the x-ray scanner or the scum of the earth 135 guys don't have to step through the metal detector. We just want to go to work and come home.

Also alot of 135 guys are retired 121 mainline guys, more than likely a high percentage of them are former ALPA members. Can they worthy to go through the KCM line? Go eat a snickers

You are pretending that security theater is actual security in a feeble attempt to feel as if you are better than the 135 mob. It's symptomatic of being infected with the disease "importance", I see a LOT of that here in 121 land. The problem ? You are merely embarrassing yourself.

If security were actually the driving logic behind your spew, you'd have provided some detail regarding FA's and their training. Guess you forgot that we sit behind bulletproof doors while they have access to the rest of the plane....but you are hung up over their KCM access.

....and I just bet you are proficient in CQB, as security conscious as you 'are'- not that you'd ever use it- you are far too precious to even consider securing anything beyond your own ego.

Smell what you are shoveling- it do stink.

Cannot WAIT to GTFO out of 121.
See you at KCM, either way.

I just re-read the whole thread. This has to be some sort of joke that is going over all of our heads. Hey good joke bro!

Enjoy loading the CEO's bags!

I believe you have to have some sort of 12500 security program to participate in the KCM program. Background checks are the same. So that point is moot.

You prove my point rather effectively.
Do come back when/if you have anything of substance to contribute.

When I flew 121, I did this once in a while. No one cared. But lots of guys asked about getting a job!

So using that logic AA, Skywest, Republic and several other non-ALPA pilots shouldn't be allowed to use KCM either right?


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To answer the original question, KCM is fantastic. 15 seconds is pretty realistic as long as there is TSA stationed at the access point. Sometimes it can take up to 5 minutes if you're waiting for TSA to send someone over to scan badges. There are also random screenings through KCM. If you are chosen, you still have to go through regular TSA screening like a normal pax.

Just remember that KCM is a privilege to all of us and can be revoked at any time. Act professional, and don't be a dingus to the blueberries.

Mine was a question. I'm not against any qualified crew member using KCM.

Laughing about this whole thread because Cape Air had KCM over 2 years ago, is a 135, has cass, and refused to pay for KCM. The thing I don't get, why does any other pilot care if the non scheds get KCM?

I'll enjoy the tip that comes with it too ;)

And when you get furloughed or the owner decides to sell, enjoy making the same salary or more at your next job as you do now! ;)

My my, is that ever the pot calling the kettle black. Lighten up man, who asparagus peed in your butt?